Yes.

haha

not sure if serious

Has anyone ever elevated a discussion of anything, ever, by posting a meme, dank or otherwise, into it?

It's literally like running into the middle of a crowd, waving your arms and verbally screaming for people to look at you, while they're trying to talk about something.

It contributes nothing, and only draws attention to how very little you actually have to add to any discourse.

Even a fucking 4chan thread on an actual topic of interesting discussion (so, outside of half the boards) gains nothing by someone posting a fucking played out meme in the middle, as if it were original, insightful, or thought-provoking.

RIP in pepperoni
[blank] is love, [blank] is life
Hi, I'm Rick Harrison, and this is my pawn shop.
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[blank] is cancer
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I feel very, very small… please hold me…
C’mon, Mom! One more game before you tuck me in. Oops mistell
I could really use a hug right now.
It’s past my bedtime. Please don’t tell my mommy.
I’m wrestling with some insecurity issues in my life but thank you for playing with me.
I’m trying to be a nicer person. It’s hard, but I’m trying, guys.

and so forth

All Pepe ever wanted to do was pee with his pants down around his ankles.

Even worse now the poor bastard that made the Boy's Town comic to begin with now has his creations forever labeled as racist. Forever branded as an 'alt-right cartoonist'.

Feels bad, man.

Man, I still remember the host of "Feels good man" sprays we had on TF2 nights with poe-can't-aim.

Fuckin' pol.

Der Froschführer.

One could interpret that as 'they must not win', or 'they can not (be allowed to) win'.

But yes, complacency at this point is deserving of the most bitter scorn possible, particularly with the rest of the media working so hard to make it a proper horse race.

True enough. But there's also an element of disbelief in her statements. White people (especially middle class white people) seem to have a serious problem accepting just how rotten America is, and always has been.

Oh sure, we had slavery, and lynchings, and all the rest of it, but all of that was from a previous era. Except for the things that are happening in our current era, which are shocking and came out of nowhere. This "I am shocked!" song and dance is getting kind of old.

(((Anaxagoras)))

Oh yeah, we're such a fucking white supremacist nation that we elected a black president twice.

Except you know, he's half white you fucking dumbass.

To your garden variety racist, being half black is just as bad. Not sure what your point is.

Just that america has never elected a 'black president' as he's biracial.

You're right that a common or garden racist views him only as 'black' though.

"this is a white supremacist nation"

What would make a statement like that true or false, Anax??

You can determine if a nation is white supremacist by looking at the institutions the nation possesses and seeing if they consistently & institutionally favor whites. If they do, then look at the history of those institutions. Do they favor whites by accident (e.g. A simple process of favoring those who were already here) or was the discrimination intentional? Finally, look at current attempts to reform those institutions. If the society is amenable to reforming the institutions so that they're more equitable, then the society is longer white supremacist. If, on the other hand, you get vociferous, violent conflict, then the nation is still a white supremacist nation.

Of course, it's not a binary. We're less bad than we used to be. But we're still a white supremacist nation, even though few whites consciously think "I'm better than those negros" anymore.

I get your point but I don't know about the rhetorical overstatement of it.

1) name some countries that aren't _____ supremacists.
Any one that you might name (let's say Sweden) is bound to be less heterogeneous than the US or France or the UK. I don't know much about the demographics of Indonesia, but I'm positive that they're muslim supremacists. How is that any less shitty?
Comparing to other nations is fairly important.

2) If you want to say something like 'equal protection under the law is a sham', I'd say it's a semi-sham. It's nowhere near equal but it's nowhere near apartheid either. 'Rich' is probably more important than 'white', ultimately.

3) I usually think that the base statement that ones like yours boil down to is that 'humans are an ugly animal'. I do think there are particular, horrible problems that need immediate change. But I don't think the end of the day story is that 'white supremacy' is the root cause of all ills.
Especially given advances in psychology in the last few decades, this is a really naive thing to believe.

That guy, i sincerely love when you number your thoughts/responses on longer answers. It makes it easier to respond.

1) Actually, Sweden is showing signs of being white supremacist. But Canada is a good example of a nation that isn't white supremacist. That's not to say they don't have racial problems. Their relationship with the First Nations is.... problematic, to put it politely. But they've by-and-large embraced a multiracial model for their country.

You're right that comparison to other countries is important, and there are few examples as good as Canada. But when you compare us to other countries, I don't think we come out looking too good. In many ways we're better than many other countries thanks to our robust economy and our history of political stability. (A history which might be coming to an end, actually.) But I think our relationship to race is worse than most, thanks to how slavery was baked into our culture from the very beginning.

2) I used to think that "rich" is way more important than "white", and it might be. But I'm not so sure anymore. I've seen too many studies & examples where blacks suffer just because they're black, and no amount of money would have helped. (e.g. police brutality) But you might be right. I just don't know.

3) You're right; white supremacy isn't the root cause of everything. But it's probably safe to say that it permeates most things, even if it's not always immediately obvious. And more importantly, regardless of how many ills it causes, I think it's safe to say that it's a thing. And it's a thing that whites knee-jerk object to because they don't like to think they support or benefit from such a system. But we whites do benefit, whether we like to admit it or not. And I think that's an important point to call out.

1) You think our relationship to race is *worst* than most? Have you traveled much? Do you know what people in other countries are like about race?? We're far more 'put to the test', (like France or the UK are) than most other countries. People are just openly racist as fuck in most countries. You gotta be kidding me on this one.

2) We're both shrugging on this one. Probably 'rich' is better inside the courtroom, and 'white' is better out?

3) I should have been more specific. What I meant by 'white supremacy' basically boils down to 'humans are nasty' is that there is a default amount of racism in the average human mind. Whites are no different from the rest of humanity on this. It isn't a white trait, it's a human trait.

This entails all kinds of politically uncomfortable things to think about, but there's no escaping it, I hope you'd agree. Some percent of any group are complete supremacists for their group.

Holy shit, that's the best write-up of the whole Trump phenomenon I've read to date. Can we do something about that? Poster it up on every message board, comments section, highway overpass in the country over the next 6 weeks?

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No it isn't. It's an inept and comically exaggerated generalization of an absolutely massive and diverse group of people.

Lower middle class you say? You know why they'd vote for Trump? Because when you first make it into the middle class you start paying a shitload of taxes. That's an actual reason millions of people decide to vote conservative. Conservatives also tend to vote that way because of religion.

You know what it sounds like when you generalize huge groups of people with a common set of values into some sort of demonized caricature of the very worst minority examples within that group? You sound like a liberal version of some jerkoff from stormfront.

The one thing Binro missed in his otherwise flawless post was the tendency for entitled white guys to 1) whine about prejudice ONLY when someone criticizes white people, even in the mildest of ways and 2) blame taxes for absolutely goddamn everything. Luckily Ferzen covered those two points for him.

This isn't about politics. This is about the people supporting Trump.

On the surface, it seems like it's about politics because Trump is running for political office, but the thing drawing people to Trump is rhetoric, not policy.

He attracts people who want the world to be like it was in the "good" old days, even if it was never actually that way. He's selling the fantasy off White people on top and everyone else put back in their place.

Every other Republican Presidential candidate was pushing lower taxes, "traditional" values and smaller government, like they always do. Trump was the only one spouting off about kicking out Mexicans, spreading fear of Muslims, disparaging women, mocking the physically disabled, railing against the "evil" of political correctness and subtly encouraging his supporters to become physically violent with those who disagreed with him.

Trump supporters aren't supporting him because they think he has a solid fiscal policy.

My prior comment was directed at Fezren.

Xeno snuck one in while I was typing.

Then I came in my pants.