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Date:10/01/16
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Spit Spingola
That dumb red hat is basically the new nazi arm band. He says he's from Oklahoma while the cops are interviewing him. So this asshole travelled all the way to a California protest in a Trump hat to get a reaction and he got one. Worth it to get to the point where he whines about losing his hat signed by Donald Trump and tells the cops he's worried about his "$100,000 car".
dairyqueenlatifah
What a liar. No one has a $100,000 car in Oklahoma.

Raggamuffin
Maybe it's a combine harvester?

Leviathant
Nah, he said El Cajon.

yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo

Gmork
Some particularly evil comments from the youtube page:

"Nathan Oliver:

Next time bring a concealed weapon with a couple extended mags. With a crowd that big chasing you you can blind fire behind you while running and you won't miss a shot. After 15 rounds pop off they'll be running every other direction but yours.You were completely justified to use lethal force on everybody that chased you."






"Correct The Problems:

They all need to be gassed. End of the problem.

I know I know, how horrible. And you think they're the future we should be striving for? If so, take a deep breath.

Pedro Wiegmann:

nope. it's the right thing to do.

Pedro Wiegmann:

gas them all.

Greg Hammond:

This is the cold truth that nobody wants to admit. Honestly, the truth is pretty fucking dark these days. The very fact that we tolerate these people existing is evil on our part. We're too scared to admit the truth and do the right thing - which is frankly, to gas these subhumans."
dairyqueenlatifah
Yeah, that's pretty evil but they do have a point. Anyone who thinks committing violence against someone who wears a hat you don't like or holds an opinion you disagree with is acceptable is a piece of shit who doesn't belong in a civilized society.

Binro the Heretic
There would be a lot of dead or locked-up Trump supporters if that were the case, given how many of them committed violence against Trump protestors.

memedumpster
If that were the case, we'd have no social problems because all the rich and every politician would have been culled by now.

What you mean is, don't touch the holy skin shades and fuck the darkies.

Bobonne
Trump voters, lady and gentlemen.

EvilHomer
Well, given that we have become a society where a man can be violently assaulted for wearing a hat, and people will apparently just accept this without a moment's pause, I really don't think the tone and tenor of the Youtube comments should come as a surprise.

The escalation of violence amongst a scared, divided population is a core component of authoritarianism, and the game is rigged so that only those in power stand to benefit from your blood and your neighbour's tears. Those at the top have really been going hard this year, trying to stoke resentment and tribalism in us, but remember friends: the only way we can win is by not playing the game.

Xenocide
All this taught me is that a white kid trying desperately to antagonize people will still face better treatment than a black man minding his own business who happens to cross the line of sight of a cop having a bad day.

decoy
I wonder how his insurance is going to assess that dent.
dairyqueenlatifah
I think I saw this is a movie once....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwpfSkB8nls
StanleyPain
I'm sure he only wore the hat IRONICALLY HURRRR WINK WINK.

It'll be interesting to see how the current generation of 20-something shitheads like this fare once they get into their late 30s/early 40s and realize how empty their world and life is when everything in their life has been about them being paralyzingly terrified of sincerity.
pastorofmuppets
pretty sure he sincerely hates black people

Lord_Crocodilicus
If a hellfire missile was launched into that crowd the only thing of value lost would be that hat and the surface of the road.
Thanks BLM, for bringing back angry mobs. You know, I always wanted to live in a time and place where those were not only possible to form, but also when and where the participants in such things left scott-free after brutally beating a person for something he was wearing.
I've seen instances of people burning flags, worst that happened is the fire gets put out and the offender gets intimidated into leaving. I've never seen a stomp-circle form around anybody until this election and the ridiculous nazi fear mongering perpetuated by the media and BLM, a freeform and largely individualistic movement based entirely on lies. Their favorite chant is literally "hands up don't shoot"...which is based on a lie about Michael Brown. Usually, they'll claim they are partaking in peaceful protests all the while also chanting "no justice, no peace." So which is it? Peace or no peace? I'd like that to be straightened out.
It's pretty hecking darn cut and dry where the real evil is.
One thing I have noticed also is that leftist propaganda seems to come from the popular media entities reporting on something that might've happened, whereas right-wing propaganda just comes from videos like this. You know, things that ACTUALLY happened live on camera.
Why can't BLM just have their violent movement stop pretending that isn't what they really want? I'm sick of the lies.
I have the white and gold MAGA hat btw, it's a bit less inconspicuous from afar.
Anyway, been nice talkin to you...
memedumpster
I miss orcs.

He was the only poeBigot that had an actual sense of humor.

Binro the Heretic
Yeah, how dare them colored folks get upset over civil rights. That's no reason to form an angry mob.

Now if their favorite sports team won or lost a big game, that's a good reason to smash windows and shit.

Lord_Crocodilicus
Binro,

That is what we whites call a "happy riot".

Gmork
"It's pretty hecking darn cut and dry where the real evil is."

True Evil fallacy!

No, but seriously - the right have the KKK, and the left have the fringe BLM who actually advocate violence rather than just passive-aggressively blaming white people for all their ills. There's a spectrum. Unlike the KKK, where to even consider it you must meet the minimum criteria of worthless.

Lord_Crocodilicus
Memedumpster did an ad hominem, I didn't know we were supposed to point those out.

You're only allowed to say that because MOST white people do not support the KKK whereas MOST black people DO support BLM, and you can't call most black people worthless.

The last recorded lynching was in 1981.

The last recorded attack on the the KKK was in February 2016.

poorwill
People like you are always so boring. You've learned from experience that people think you're boring and that they won't pay attention to you unless you say 'shocking' things, so you say 'shocking' things and you're STILL BORING.

EvilHomer
If the Honorable Lord Crocodilicus wishes to make evidence-based arguments, then it is incumbent upon us to address his facts, rather than simply make attacks on his character.

M'lord, would you be able to provide citations for your claim that " MOST white people do not support the KKK whereas MOST black people DO support BLM"?

Also, what would you say to the counter-argument, that you are essentially comparing apples and oranges; that is to say, you must either compare "lynchings" to "lynchings", or "attacks" to "attacks" - and that this comparison should be done, not between the KKK (which is a largely defunct group) and BLM (which is very much active), but between ANY active quote unquote "pro-white" group and ANY active quote unquote "pro-black" (or, if you prefer, "anti-white") group?

In other words, while it may be true that the KKK hasn't lynched any black men recently, it is also true that police officers HAVE been shooting black men. How would you respond to this?

teethsalad
poorwill nailed it

as long as you support the police denying large swaths of people their constitutional rights don't be shocked and surprised if said people aren't too goddamned jazzed about it

sorry they popped your bubble, guy, we all know you're the real victim here

Lord_Crocodilicus
Cheers, @Homer

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/08/how-americans- view-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

So I imagine you think I should compare BLM to the so-called Alt-right? They're another looseknit group without a leader, and like BLM they don't know exactly what they want. I guess you could call Dylann Roof part of the alt-right if you really wanted, so credit to your point. I see the alt-right as a reaction to largely sheltered white teens seeing things like this:

http://media2.abcactionnews.com/photo/2016/09/27/16x9/Hate_gra ffiti_spray_painted_on_wall_and__0_47011478_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJpWiV-zLoM

or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlV4-xTrpy8

and not really seeing the reason that it's happening because many young whites don't have a racist bone in their bodies, but now they know that somebody (a large movement, not a few bad cops) wants to hurt them because of their skin color. Especially considering the extremely low rate that whites kill blacks at (including police shootings) and the fact that blacks commit more that twice the amount of murders per capita than any other race
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-20 14/tables/table-43

I would respond to your other point by saying most of those shootings are justified, and that when a case arose where a shooting very clearly wasn't justified, that officer was charged (Russell Rios, Walter Scott, Terence Crutcher). I think more blacks need to step up and join their local police forces and go and police their own neighborhoods where they know their own kin and can use their own discretion because clearly white cops aren't getting the job done well enough for their liking.

@poorwill,teeth

Go fuck yourselves. You're the reason Jon Stewart was ever popular. You can't take in opinions based on facts so instead you take in opinions based on entertainment value. You refuse to accept things staring you in the face because its booorrrinnggg, so you cling onto idealistic horseshit that's spoonfed to you by the entertainment industry. Making assumptions about me feeling like a victim is just you making arguments for me so that you can tear down an easier argument that I never made because you can't respond to the original one.
Oh sorry, I'm calling out logical fallacies again.
I'm not a victim of anything except having listen to you retards circlejerk about objectively false narratives. Seriously, kys.

Lord_Crocodilicus
FBI stats link is broken, here's a screencap

http://imgur.com/a/Nusdk

bawbag
Lard Crackerdickless, the only thing you got right in your utterly dull 'muh cultural marxism' 'the blacks!!11one' posting career so far is that you would be hated, but then you're trying ever so hard to be, just like the dull Trump hat oakie in the video.

5 for Poorwill.

Lord_Crocodilicus
Well that was just hilarious.
Tell me, because I'm really curious, do you really find statistics, polls, and real life happening so shockingly contrary to your worldview that you feel the need to lash out at the people who post them?
I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish by calling me feckless. Maybe just squeezing out the last bit of streetcred you can get from the most exclusive community on the whole internet amirite?
You read the whole page 1 of my posting history and found out I'm not the biggest fan of any kind of marxism? Oh man, hey there's a super duper controversial opinion, how shocking!
Your efforts to compare me to Orcs will fail, I'm no troll, and I've only reacted with vigor to those who reacted first to my claims with personal attacks. You're welcome to hate me, but at least try to find a decent reason. I've been nothing but diplomatic until this thread, and I've posted nothing but quality material to this site.
I will say this, it's no wonder Orcs turned out the way he did with the kind of discourse you folks are putting out. You should realize that you created a monster with ad hominem attacks like that one.

bawbag
All those run-on paragraphs of dull, beige rage. You can't even make your angry response sound anything less than mundane, oh poor Mr. Lard Crackerdickless.

EvilHomer
Thank you for the source, Lord Crocodilicus! However, the source only addresses half of your claim, i.e. black support for BLM. It does not mention white support for the KKK. I know this probably seems pedantic, as it is "common sense" to assume that white support for the KKK is low, but I feel it needs to be asked, as we should have all of the facts before we make any judgements.

As for BLM and the "Alt-Right", I'm not sure I would phrase my question like that. First, you would have to define "Alt-Right" - a contentious thing to do - and even if you could define the "Alt-Right" in a satisfactory manner, you would of course wind up excluding other groups which should be relevant - groups which are racist yet not "alternative" (the police, perhaps?). I'm also a little worried about how the term "Alt-Right" is being co-opted and made synonymous with words like "pro-white" or "racist", as this marginalizes and 'erases' large swathes of the public who self-identify as right-wing, anti-establishment, AND non-racist (e.g. Alex Jones, Jesse Peterson, Stefan Molyneux until recently, etc). No, I think all I mean here is that we should be comparing the aggregate behavior of any and all pro-white groups with any and all anti-white groups - and that is data I have not yet seen.

Lord_Crocodilicus
@bawbag that's just like, your opinion man.
Maybe next time I'll bring in the Smothers Brothers to sing to you. Too radical is a Nazi, and too reasonable is dull, got it.

@Homer thanks for entertaining my thought.
It's not pedantic, in fact I searched for KKK support polls but could only find info on David Duke's favorability among folks in Louisiana (which is actually more interesting than I imagined). You might have better luck.
http://www.uno.edu/cola/political-science/documents/duke-poll. pdf

That said, David Duke said that he quit the KKK a long time ago (I wouldn't call it disavowing because he seems to keep ties with them) but in the following podcast he says he did it because they were too violent. I can't remember where, and I don't blame you for not wanting to listen to the whole thing to find out. It's Richard Spencer's podcast.
https://soundcloud.com/radixjournal/catching-up-with-david-duk e

And yes, I'm not sure that information has been compiled yet. I certainly haven't seen it either. I do know the Dallas shooter was a member of the Nation of Islam, but that's obviously anecdotal. I'm actually really interested in what happens during the Dylann Roof trial, he undoubtedly knows how much racial hatred and violence he could incite, and I doubt he will shy away from doing that. He seems to be one of the "gas the kikes, race war now" memesters that blew a gasket.
What do you consider black hate groups? NBPP and NoI? I honestly can't think of any others. I don't consider BLM organized enough to be called a hate group, but apparently the SPLC thinks the Alt-Right are worthy of that status according to the hate map (which by the way includes 0 results for "alternative right")
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

EvilHomer
OH MY GOD.

Blacks are MORE favorable towards David Duke than are whites?!

I'm not really surprised that under-40s are far more receptive to Dr Duke than over-40s, but I find it really hard to believe that 18% of blacks said "Yes", let alone that this number is 4% higher than whites...! They also vote for him at a higher rate than whites do?!

That has to be a margin-of-error fluke. It's certainly interesting, though.

EvilHomer
Also, some Black Hebrew chapters, as well as the Nuwabians, are generally classified as "hate groups".

EvilHomer
And speaking of that, this is purely anecdotal of course, but we've got Black Hebrews living in my city, and while they can be assholes sometimes, they've never (to my knowledge) gotten violent with local minorities.

Lord_Crocodilicus
I've only ever heard stories and seen videos of the Black Israelites and I can never tell if they're totally insane or completely correct.
I often feel that way about religious people.
Like the people who are supposedly "closest to god" are these white guys with nice houses and cars; that never made any sense to me, even as a child with a pretty basic understanding of Christianity. By today's standards, anybody with a true emotional connection to what would be the God of yore would be considered crazy.
I think preachers and pastors should be kept chained up in a church cellar with temptation just out of reach and then brought up every Sunday morning muzzled and frothing at the mouth. Maybe then he can talk about what he's learned from God. Whatever happened to asceticism?
Off topic, I know, but daddy's been drinking.
I'm not gonna put this in the hopper but you're welcome to if you want, I thought it was pretty funny. The Black Israelites really know their scripture. I was suprised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlbLgl5WDs

Lord_Crocodilicus
Idk why I said Israelites, I meant Hebrews. Too much Desmond Dekker I guess.

Lord_Crocodilicus
Wait, are Nuwaubians Islamic or are they Egyptian pagans?
Oh, they're like black Scientologists?
Holy shit these guys are awesome.

bawbag
"too reasonable is dull, got it."

You actually believe anything you suggested in this thread was reasonable?

Nice reality filter there Sparky, same as all the other boring far-right morons of the world, go back to wherever it was your trite stormfront crap usually flies, because it sure as fuck isn't here.

EvilHomer
The Nuwabians are amazing! I've submitted videos about them before. They're an Egyptian-Muslim-NewAge-UFOlogist religion, run by a prolific child rapist ("York's case was reported as the largest prosecution for child molestation ever directed at a single person in the history of the United States, both in terms of number of victims and number of incidents") and very fond of David Icke-style conspiracy theories. They hate white people, whom York claimed (amongst other things) were genetically-engineered troglodyte slaves goaded by the Devil to rebel against their cosmic Black God masters, and they've also got a really cool made-up language and hieroglyphic script, which I learned as a teenager, whilst doing outpatient therapy, from a schizophrenic black friend who was getting into them at the time.

"Scientology" is a fairly good way of describing the Nuwabians, as they've got at least some celebrity support and have a similar UFO-based belief system. Picture Scientology mixed with a Muslim/Pan-African-version of the Christian Identity movement.

EvilHomer
Anyway, rather than play the Devil's EvilHomer and just hammer on about statistics - which I think you've got a solid grasp of, and honestly I'm not even sure if the relevant counter-statistics exist at all - I'd like to switch gears now and ask the million-dollar question: that is, in light of all these claims you make, what do you believe should be done?

I know a lot of people who are into this "alt-right" "crime-statistics" thing support Donald Trump, and believe that Trump's stated policies - a stronger police force, heavier vetting, stop & frisk - are the way forward. (the first of which, sadly, is bound to happen, as yet again widening the imbalance of power between the state and the people is one of those issues that both major parties agree on) I notice that you yourself have yet to make any concrete policy claims; would it be fair to lump you in with the Trump supporters?

Lord_Crocodilicus
@Bawbag I'm not a stormfag you fucking loser. Hope you're at least having fun being this helpless.


I wouldn't lump myself in with the vast majority of Trump supporters. I certainly have my fair share of what the alt-right would call "cucked" viewpoints.
I primarily care about immigration policy. I believe that when immigration does take place it should benefit the country as much as (if not more than) it does the individual. That is currently not the case, especially not at our southern border where 10's of billions of dollars are sent back across every year to individual families in Mexico. With our debt that is now unsustainable and something has to be done, (I think a wall is a start. I don't even understand how building a wall is considered a bad idea by the left. Maybe you could explain.)
Anyway, we could be paying for people's college with that money, we could be building high speed rail. Hell, we could pay fucking reparations!(yes, I unironically support paying reparations) We could be doing anything except allowing that money to be sent to a country that is controlled by the cartel(s).
As for policing, like I mentioned before I think it starts at a highly localized community level. There's no reason for white suburban cops to be patrolling black ghettos. Establishing a rapport with the members of the community is impossible if you can't even begin to relate to them (at an economic level and at a racial level). I don't think we can turn "privileged" cops and ghettoized Americans into tabula rasa and recondition them to love each other unconditionally. That's just something that will never happen, and it's blatantly Stalinist in some respects.
No, I think we should put a conscious effort into recruiting youths to police their own communities. Someone who grew up nearby and knows who might actually kill him and who won't, or who is a little more lenient or petty crime. Arresting people for stupid shit just makes the community hate cops, but if you are lenient and people continue to steal, sling killer dope, rob, etc. in time the community will begin to resent the crime and not the cops. If blacks decide they want segregated police forces, I don't think we should stop them just because segregation is a no-no word.
I think that nationalism is a good step forward for Russo-American relations. I am vehemently against ALL wars on foreign soil as well as the spread of democracy. We need to get out of Iran's personal space, and I happen to really like both Russia and Iran. I always thought it was funny how neo-con Americans seem to think all Muslims are completely insane, and yet simultaneously want to install a democracy in their countries so they can all vote for, presumably, the most insane person out of all of them.
So no I don't think it's fair to lump me in with the majority of Trump supporters. Sorry if I'm all over the place here, I just woke up.

Gmork
" I believe that when immigration does take place it should benefit the country as much as (if not more than) it does the individual."

"I think a wall is a start. I don't even understand how building a wall is considered a bad idea by the left."

"we could pay fucking reparations!(yes, I unironically support paying reparations)"

"There's no reason for white suburban cops to be patrolling black ghettos."

"No, I think we should put a conscious effort into recruiting youths to police their own communities."

"or who is a little more lenient or[read: on] petty crime."

"If blacks decide they want segregated police forces, I don't think we should stop them just because segregation is a no-no word."

"I think that nationalism is a good step forward"

" I happen to really like both Russia and Iran."

Oh. My. God. Thank you for replacing Orcs. You're able to explain your shitty views in detail instead of going on about how you're a 500 ton mechanized fuck machine and disdaining all capital letters. Now we can at least have some interesting exchanges.

Lord_Crocodilicus
Yes well, I have a very soft spot for this site and its inhabitants, as they have extremely similar tastes as I do. I feel (personally) as though the only reason I'm even arguing here as opposed to Reddit or 4Chan is because I like you guys, and I think maybe some of you folks are smart enough to convince me to go back to the idealistic man I used to be, or at least give a genuine effort. So far that isn't happening, though I appreciate you and Homer actually saying something meaningful or non-inflammatory .
It's difficult to have discourse about these sorts of things, I understand. Still, it's necessary to speak bluntly.
I'd really like to stop seeing things the way I do; but then again, don't we all? I'm literally thousands of hours into my research of the right wing ideology. That's where I've been for the past year (I couldn't find a job).
This never would've happened if I'd stopped reading Julius Evola on page 1.
What have I done to myself?
Anyway, if you wish I'll try not to involve myself in your political discussion. For the most part it seems fruitless.
I'll be around though. Cheers.

Love & Vomit
Here is additional footage of the incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7VG919ttTA

He was on the ground for about 30 seconds, and was surrounded by people protecting him the entire time, so the brutality of his beating may have been somewhat exaggerated. Of course, this doesn't justify the actions of anyone who harmed or threatened to harm him.

The important things to take from this footage is the sound he makes at 0:30, and a clear shot of the person who stole his hat. If someone can turn this footage over to Anonymous or hacktivists or whoever handles this shit on the internet, maybe this poor boy can be reunited with his beloved Donald Trump hat signed by Donald J. Trump!
Binro the Heretic
Like he's not going to get a new signed hat and hug from Trump because of this?

Xenocide
White Kid: I WANT ATTENTION!

Crowd: Okay.
dairyqueenlatifah
White? He looks pretty Native to me. Considering that he's from Oklahoma, I'm willing to put money on it.

Binro the Heretic
His name is Feras Jabro.

EvilHomer
Clearly a Star Wars alien.

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