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Bort - 2016-10-20

I still say the superhero origins are necessary to establish why they put on unitards and kick muggers in the face, and the Batman origin is simple enough that you can tell it in a flashback that takes up 90 seconds of screen time, tops.

Now building an entire TV series around the Waynes' deaths and the pre-Batman shenanigans in Gotham City, that would be going too far.

Bort - 2016-10-20

... like this, from 0:18 to 0:22:


That's four seconds of intro that wordlessly sells it: kid experiences tragedy and is driven to become Batman. They don't need to constantly reference the Waynes' deaths in the show, but we know the show is mindful of it.

I know it's unthinkable these days to have a tragedy-free Batman, but every one prior to Tim Burton was exactly that. I think Adam West mentioned his parents' murders in the pilot episode of his series, but that's it; except for that one mention, he was basically a civic-minded playboy with lots of time on his hands.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-10-21

That would be like devoting a whole trilogy of big-budget feature films to the origin of Darth Vader.

EvilHomer - 2016-10-21

Gotham is an original idea that explores themes and areas previously untapped by Batman's bloated, tired media empire - so of course the marks hate it.

I want to watch BATMAN'S PARENTS DIE, then I want to watch Batman KICK THE JOKER IN THE FACE for 70 minutes. That's the way it's been for eighty years, and daggummit it, that's the way I likes it...!

EvilHomer - 2016-10-21

John - the Prequels were a great idea in theory; they only failed because of the execution.

EvilHomer - 2016-10-21

... unlike the Sequel Trilogy, which is just a plain bad idea from the start.

Caminante Nocturno - 2016-10-21

Mommy! Daddy! Nooooo!

The Gotham Knight one happened so quickly that I almost missed it.

SolRo - 2016-10-21

add the animated series scenes and this would be hours long.

I don't think there's anyone left on the planet that doesn't know batman's parents died.

Two Jar Slave - 2016-10-21

Was the particularly tasteless Zack Snyder one in there? They all blended together.

duck&cover - 2016-10-21

The ultimate Batman origin story:

http://www.tickld.com/x/jaw/this-guy-just-changed-the-way-we-s ee-batman-mind-blown

Xenocide - 2016-10-21

Batman always plans for everything, so it should be obvious by now that the shooter is actually Batman, who traveled back in time to create himself.

duck&cover - 2016-10-21

See my comment and link above.

Bort - 2016-10-21

That's almost exactly what happened, except on another earth and backwards. With the help of the grooviest mystic ever, the Phantom Stranger:

http://iamthephantomstranger.blogspot.com/2009/01/detective-co mics-500-march-1981.html

I got this comic at Convenient Food Mart when it came out, bitches.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-10-21

The years haven't been kind to the Tim Burton film, but it was a revelation in its time, and one of the things I still admire about it is the way it opens, with another boy with his parentsbeing robbed on the street, a kind of ritualized reenactment of the primal scene, but this time, Batman intervenes.

It's not just an origin story; it's the primal scene.

Maggot Brain - 2016-10-21

I would say that almost none of the Batman movies hold up over time. Even the recent Nolan movies with all their commentary on war on terror the surveillance state are starting to show their age.

For me it's not that they keep showing the death of batman's mom and dad but they never change up the reason of why they were killed, they're fucking stupid for walking down a creepy ally way at night. How about Thomas Wane is an industrialist war profiteer and gets killed over politics. Easy.

Sanest Man Alive - 2016-10-21

Yeah but then who's Bruce going to swear a lifetime of vengeance against? Neo-imperialists? Oil pirates?

EvilHomer - 2016-10-21

The Waynes are a poverty-stricken white family, and they get killed by a racist black cop.

Bort - 2016-10-22

The pointlessness of the Wayne's deaths is the point: nobody is out of the reach of crime, and the Waynes did nothing to "earn" their murders.

Even the alley in question was in a "safe" part of town rather than some grimy rat-infested body-dump site from "Law & Order". The movies tend to get that wrong, but the comics typically show a well-lit sidestreet known as "Park Row" and you wouldn't anticipate trouble there. The murders themselves even happened directly under a street light, not in a dark corner.

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