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Desc:He doesn't like it and the guys giving the demo are devastated.
Category:Arts, Science & Technology
Tags:hayao miyazaki, studio ghibli, A.I., artifical intelligence, fuck the singularity
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Comment count is 42
Waugh - 2016-12-05
What a goddamn hero.
garcet71283 - 2016-12-05
The next time I need to give constructive criticism, I'm going to use "an insult to life itself"
Waugh - 2016-12-05
cool don't waste any time just bastardize everything meaningful you can get your shrunken hands on immediately

Gmork - 2016-12-06
5 for waugh's impending mental breakdown

Waugh - 2016-12-06
you mean your own mental breakdown, mein freund. you show all the standard prepsychotic symptoms.

gmol - 2016-12-05
The singularity doesn't really have anything to worry about here.
This is either "going to the store", failure art or hopelessly naive art students.
kingarthur - 2016-12-05
He and Stan Lee should have a shade throwing party. God bless him. Put those little job destroying upstarts in their place.
Xenocide - 2016-12-05
Hack artist: My new manga is about a swordsman...

Stan Lee: Oh good, finally something original!

Hack artist: He's a tortured loner...

Stan Lee: Just once I'd like to see a tortured guy who's also really sociable.

Hack artist: And he wanders a post-apocalyptic Tokyo, fighting evil robots.

Stan Lee: Glad you said they were evil. Wouldn't want him to fight morally confused robots. Hayao, you got anything to add?

Miyazaki: (takes long drag off a cigarette) Recently, I have been experiencing various aches and pains...I believe this is typical for someone of my advanced age. But they remind me that I am not young anymore...so with every ache, comes the knowledge that the end of my life is approaching...perhaps this should frighten or sadden me...but when I look at work such as yours, this instead feels liberating. I realize that I am fortunate, because there is so much disgusting, worthless manga in the world such as this, but soon death will take me and I will never have to lay eyes upon work like yours ever again.

Hack Artist:................um, so should I?

Miyazaki: Inform your parents they they failed our country, yes.

Xenocide - 2016-12-05
Shit, I didn't notice who I was replying to while I was making my stupid joke about dying. Apologies to Arthur if that was in poor taste.

MurgatroidMendelbaum - 2016-12-05
Close-up shot of Xenocide at 1:31.

Xenocide - 2016-12-05
I've finally transformed into a Japanese person! The dream of every anime nerd fulfilled.

Binro the Heretic - 2016-12-05
If you're going to be an animator, you should love animation. That is, you should love to draw and paint and create with your own and you should love to see what others create, trying to figure out how they did it.

These guys don't love animation. They like playing with their toys.
Xenocide - 2016-12-05
Also, what they have created is hideous and terrifying. Imagine if you were given access to the full kitten genome and made a tumor cat whose has no legs and its head is an extra butthole and it is only capable of feeling pain and screaming (which it does by pooping.) And then you went to the CEO of Kittens and you were like "ISN'T IT BEAUTIFUL, SIR, SURELY YOU ARE PLEASED WITH US."

I'm glad Miyazaki forced these men to sacrifice themselves to the mountain tengu god.

Raggamuffin - 2016-12-05
Seriously. They could have at least tried to show him something remotely in his wheelhouse. Grow Home uses a procedural animation system, and if they'd made something like that, it could do a lot more to show what these things are capable of in a much more appealing package.

On a broader note, I think sometimes technology people trying to work in artistic fields can get a little big for their britches. Guy's, your job is to make tools to put into the hands of artists, not to replace the artists themselves.

Oscar Wildcat - 2016-12-05
I think he's just insulted that they are wasting his time with this ugly garbage. The follow on question by the studio head really nailed it though. "So, you want to replace Hayao with ...this. Really?" I'd like to think he has nothing to worry about, but by god I suspect he does. I don't think the consumers of this media can tell the difference.

EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
Mr Wildcat - that reaction Miyazaki has, that is not "help me, I'm scared for my job". Maybe 15% or so of it is "help me, I'm scared for my job", but the other 85% is farmgrade Triggered->Butthurt.

His producer is definitely feeling the HM/ISFMJ - and well he should, sic semper dinosaurōs! - but Miyazaki is probably too senile and arrogant to properly grasp the peril he is in.

Oscar Wildcat - 2016-12-05
Well he's an artist, EvilHomebola. He gave his critique. It's an insult to life itself. And yes, when you are old, you get to add "AND GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN". I think he's earned that right.

That poor weeping cone headed dweeb who tries to apologize? Oh, that was sweet, my friend. It was ...tasty.

EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
He's not an artist, and he's not giving a critique. He's a businessman having a completely unprofessional emotional meltdown, and in so doing, murdering (yes, murdering!) at least three families.

Consider, for a minute, the implications which Miyazaki's moodiness have for the animators. These poor guys aren't just having their day ruined, they are having their CAREERS ruined. From now on, whenever they go to a job interview or a business meeting, people will look at them and say, "Oh, YOU'RE the guy whose work Miyazaki said was an insult to life itself". They're ruined. Now maybe they could survive this encounter here in America, where people are more iconoclastic and where angering the conservative power hierarchy can earn you indie street cred (as was the case with Liefeld and McFarlane), but in Japan, their careers are over. They will never again find a job that can pay off their debts, and their families will quite possibly starve to death, if they don't all kill themselves out of shame first.

How fucked up and professionally irresponsible is that, I ask you?!

That morning, Japan had a group of talented AI developers who were blazing new scientific trails in the fields of not just art and animation but also robotics and computer science and life theory itself - and that evening, there was nothing left of the dream but walking corpses.

EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
露と落ち露と消えにし我が身かな浪速のことも夢 のまた夢

Appearing like dew,
vanishing like dew—
such is my life.
Even Naniwa's splendor
is a dream within a dream.

~Toyotomi Hideyoshi

Xenocide - 2016-12-06
Some careers need murderin'.

Waugh - 2016-12-06
you can't ban thalidomide, i've got kids to feed, you monster!

BHWW - 2016-12-05
Always a joy to see Miyazaki in this mode; some people seem to have the impression he's some sort of whimsical eccentric, but...no.
Cena_mark - 2016-12-05
I like Miyazaki, but the dude is old. He's pretty overrated, as Studio Ghibli has only won a single Oscar, whereas Pixar, which is a much newer studio has 13.
Also, when did dissin' and illin' become "throwing shade". That's a lame word. I don't like this new slang.
EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
Agreed. Miyazaki is hella overrated. He's not as overrated as Stan Lee, but he's got a serious case of The Fogies and he banks too much off the adoration of tasteless hipsters. His time has come and gone. After this cruel, hate-filled, and shameful display, I hope he gets fired!

According to UrbanDictionary, it is the shade *thrower* who is a fool, not the shade throwing recipient. In other words, if Stan Lee and Miyazaki had a shade throwing party, they would be the dorks, not the up-and-coming talent.

Nominal - 2016-12-05
Cena sock puppet

EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
Not an argument.

Cena_mark - 2016-12-05
Xenocide sock puppet.

Cena_mark - 2016-12-05
So the shade thrower is the wack one just like people who consume Haterade.

Xenocide - 2016-12-05
I'm not sure how I got mixed up in this so I'm just going to throw a wrench into things and announce that the greatest anime of all time is Tiny Toon Adventures.

TeenerTot - 2016-12-05
I agree with him 100%.
I could go on about kids today and their horrible love of zombies and other bullshit, but I'll spare ya.
EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
I once saw a fellow veteran have a melt-down over Call of Duty. His kids were really into the game. He got mad because his kids had never smelled a real dead body, and the video game never depicted Iraqi children sneaking out of buildings to loot the corpses after the firing stopped.

But he was wrong. Call of Duty is fun! I say if kids wanna be kids, fuck it, let them have their fun. You are entitled to your bitterly-earned wisdom, of course, but just because a video game or a cool zombie animation triggers you, that doesn't mean you need to rudely impose your insights upon the less-damaged-by-life.

Miyazaki's just got old-man-angst.

EvilHomer - 2016-12-05
Miyazaki's argument is literally "life is so dark! You guys don't UNDERSTAND my PAIN!" If Miyazaki were dressed in black skinny jeans and had his hair flipped over one eye, would those of you who are supporting him view this clip any differently?

My hypothesis: yes, you would. The only reason you are defending this behaviour is because he's Miyazaki, and you want him to be right. If instead he were some random nobody emo-kid, you'd rightly call him out for this bullshit.
Potrod - 2016-12-05
Agreed. In fact, I bet if the AI monster walking demonstration video itself had been submitted first, it would have probably garnered.... well, a couple mildly interested comments, maybe a couple 4 star ratings, but importantly, no bullshit handwringing about the singularity or whatever.

Potrod - 2016-12-05
There was that "AI learning how to walk" demonstration that was submitted a few years ago, showing it in various stages of the learning process, that actually was pretty cool.

chumbucket - 2016-12-05
Hey look! We did something lazily cool but completely useless!
Potrod - 2016-12-05
Well it's not that great so IT TRULY MUST BE THE END OF HUMANITY!

Potrod - 2016-12-05
He has a disabled friend and therefore is disgusted by what ends up being some pretty standard creepy crawly zombie monster the likes of which have been seen in media for decades? Whatever.
Maggot Brain - 2016-12-05
urbanelf - 2016-12-05
You mad, bro?
TheGrungle - 2016-12-12
i think he's just mad that someone else is stepping on his toes since all his films are some girl running through a grass field and conceivably could have been produced by machines being fed defined parameters

human intent is the only thing thats valuable but this kind of stuff is good for doing the work that doesnt matter. theres no magic in the boring parts that miyazaki himself outsources to indonesia to tween between his keyframes

every frame of skullgirls is hand drawn so it takes 300,000 manhours to create one character, but guilty gear looks just as good and takes time so they can actually NOT go bankrupt
Bisekrankas - 2017-12-05
I like his movies. I prefer them to contemporary children movies (frost, despicable me and so on).

I disagree with the notion here that they are 'overrated low quality crap that could have been easily produced by machines with the correct parameters'

We have machines producing content on youtube now. And it has created videos of Elsa and Spiderman being buried alive while the joker and venom sings the finger song whilst dancing on the corpse of peppa pig.

However, yea he probably destroyed those guys lives, so not cool Hayao.

Mister Yuck - 2018-02-08
Human intent is not the only thing that matters in art. Many things go into appreciation of art, like recognition of skill, spectacle, and so on. The primacy of intent in fine art is a big reason why contemporary art museums are full of stuff that would be recognized as crap were it not for the essays tacked to the wall.

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