Republicans are now officially the Fascist Party of the United States. If you still identify with them or voted for them, fuck you. You are not Americans any longer as far as I'm concerned.
Happily, when one looks through history, fascists tend to come to very sticky ends.
Meanwhile, it always turns out great for the Commies
People can only be one of two extremes! That's some nuanced thinking Doc... NOT!
If you're not with Hillary, you're with Trump!
And you know those fascists, always limiting the power of the government.
Republicans; making democracy into a fucking game where people don't matter and winner-takes-all since forever.
|Doc Victor |
Question for the OP, are you an NC resident and how long have you lived there?
I have a close friend who lives in NC. He's a teacher and a huge Bruce Springsteen fan, so life sucks for him living there.
Wouldn't you like to be able to go to a Springsteen concert in your own state again?
il fiore bel
Again? I've never really been fan of Springsteen before (he's okay I guess).
IFB, if I may ask, what county do you reside in? If you were around pre-2013, do you remember the state under Bev P? Have any thoughts about the Pat years you'd like to share?
For the record I liked Pat. He took the state from a deficit to a surplus and gave the economy a solid kick in the tuccus, not that it was in really terrible shape before.
Cooper doesn't really strike me as a bad guy, nor is he going to be too radically different from Pat. NC as it is right now exists as kind of a microcosm of the American political landscape. The whole HB2 fiasco was a pissing contest that ultimately boiled down to state vs municipality and who would have the last laugh. As it continued to be blown out of proportion and more external actors threw their hats into the fight, Pat decided to stick to his guns and in doing so sealed his fate for what was more or less pride. Well, the ramifications may go a little deeper than that, which may be some of the impetus behind this most recent decision.
il fiore bel
> IFB, if I may ask, what county do you reside in?
No, you may not.
> If you were around pre-2013, do you remember the state under Bev P?
Unfortunately, I was caught up in my own problems, going to school and trying to find a job, so I can probably tell you more about what I don't remember. If it counts, I'm sure NC had its share of stupid, but I don't remember a time prior to 2013 being hated by so many people.
> Have any thoughts about the Pat years you'd like to share?
Duke Energy coal ash spill and him jumping in to settle the lawsuits. MFW I find out he was a 28-year employee.
Taking out half a million dollars from the disaster relief fund for purposes of defending HB2. But in his defense, he supposedly hasn't "used" it... yet.
He's cool with fracking, but not with expanding Medicaid... or abortion rights (not that I expected him to be, but he did break a promise).
My state taxes have mysteriously started sucking in the last couple of years.
And if I recall, he was one of the folks who tried to force that voter ID bullshit.
I think it's interesting people talk about how he saved the economy, but nobody ever mentions the details.
I'm not saying he hasn't done anything good, or that he doesn't do his job. There just seems to be more strikes against him than not.
I ask what county you live in because perceptions of Pat vary widely from area to area. It's entirely believable that most people you interact with hate the governor, as per relative to where you livE.
|The Mothership |
Shit be goin' down in NC yo.
il fiore bel
2017 is going to be interesting when the voting districts are redrawn.
Yeah, I've only been following it a little but this is a pretty fucked up situation.
|Scrotum H. Vainglorious |
Don't worry, the progressive-minded millennials will get out the vote in the 2018 midterms to turn this ship around.
Right after they figure out what gender they are...
|Maggot Brain |
To be fair they're just returning the powers of the Executive to where they were BEFORE Pat McCrory was elected.
You would think that there would be some kind of prevision in the state constitution to prevent this muddling of branch powers but I guess not.
|Binro the Heretic |
The only real difference between the Democrats and Republicans is the Democrats aren't petty and spiteful when they lose.
Can anyone recall a time in recent memory where the Democrats attempted to salt the earth for incoming Republicans?
Actually, now I think about it, I suppose Republicans are petty and spiteful even when they win. The first thing they started crowing about when Trump won was undoing all the progress the Left has made in the past decade, even though it has popular support.
Mean-spirited covers all the bases.
Believing both parties are the same, now officially a manbaby belief.
il fiore bel
> Can anyone recall a time in recent memory where the Democrats attempted to salt the earth for incoming Republicans?
Well, in 1976 and 1989...
Binro the Heretic
Rhetoric is one thing, Bort. What people do once they're in office is another. Even the most radical Democrats become more "pragmatic" once they win office. Many Republicans do that, too. Nobody wants to rock the boat too much.
Democrats, however, don't have a track record of trying to hamstring a public office just because it went to a Republican. (I'm sure, however, that's because they hope to win it back again.) And they certainly don't have a track record of trying to pass oppressive social policies just to "get back" at people they don't like.
As we speak, Republicans are chomping at the bit to reinstate the ironically-named "Defense of Marriage Act" and strike down laws protecting LGBT people from discrimination. They also want to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, deny women the right to an abortion, block immigration and let the fossil fuel energy fuck the environment.
And they seem to be doing it all out of pure spite. None of it is of any real benefit to them. At least with Trump and his Legion of Doom...sorry, I meant his Cabinet...I know their motive. They're rich assholes who want to protect their existing wealth and acquire even more wealth. I don't see what the average Republican-on-the-street has to gain from what they're doing now other than to be cruel to people who pissed them off.
"Even the most radical Democrats become more "pragmatic" once they win office."
Yeah, once they figure out what the limits on what they can actually accomplish are.
You know who are the worst athletes in the world? Football players. Do you really mean to tell me it takes these alleged athletes three or four minutes to run 100 yards? Shouldn't take them more than 30 seconds, if that. It must be that they're totally totally lazy.
Binro the Heretic
I understand them getting resistance from the opposition. I know Obama had a hard time getting things done with the Republican-dominated Congress fighting them the whole way.
What I won't forgive is the way they stop taking their case to the people once they make it into office. The voters are the ones they should be making the point to, not the elected officials. The elected officials ultimately have to answer to us.
True story. A couple years ago, on some Internet Leftie hell-hole, a guy was bitching about, why doesn't Obama speak to the public about suchandsuch issue (I think it was the Syria chemical weapons)? Well it turns out Obama was doing a press conference about that very issue even as the guy was bitching.
You're saying that Democrats don't make their case to the people. Well if you listened to Hillary's speeches you would have heard her talk about jobs and wages an awful lot, but if you relied on the news to summarize it for you (and admit it, you did), all you heard about was email and Benghazi.
|Spaceman Africa |
I bet those liberals who donated to the firebombed NC republican office feel pretty silly now.
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