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Desc:Prior to the bout, MMA fighter Xu had criticized traditional martial arts for being outdated
Category:Sports, Religious
Tags:MMA, martial arts, tai chi, kung fu fighting
Submitted:Lurchi
Date:05/11/17
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Lurchi
NYT article

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/world/asia/mma-martial-arts -china-tai-chi.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Two Jar Slave
I don't blame Mr. MMA for issuing this challenge, because every boxer and MMA guy I've known has expressed a desire to beat the crap out of placid monks, but I do blame Mr. Tai Chi for being deluded enough to accept it. There were other responses available, chiefly: "tai chi isn't about that."

In my mind, this is like an Olympics-level discus thrower claiming to have practical military skills. Whatever purpose traditional martial arts once served (which is very little), it's since become so abstracted that putting a traditional practitioner into the ring is deliberately missing the point. Traditional martial artists can claim an aesthetic purpose, or athletic, or spiritual (whatever that means), but at this point nobody should have any illusions about winning a fight against an actual fighter. When these challenges come up, the old senseis can only blame themselves for believing their own hype.

Anyway, I realize that this is all obvious as heck. But I guess I still have a chip on my shoulder about the seven years of martial arts I did before trying boxing and being laid out by a guy who'd been sparring for a few months. I wasn't terribly brainwashed anymore at that point, but it was still surprising to see, in the end, just how little all my dojo drills were worth.
Raggamuffin
It's like putting a real pirate in with an epee fencer. Aesthetically they are doing the same thing, but then everyone is shocked when the pirate just bashes the guy's skull in with a rock.

Though I think the MMA community might be able to learn something about sacred cows. Namely, when you slaughter one, don't expect people rushing to thank you.

Cena_mark
That's pretty much it. Traditional martial arts have spent long periods within their very own bubbles. They haven't been allowed or even attempted to evolve. MMA is constantly being tested and constantly evolving.

Old_Zircon
"Competative marital arts" is probably more accurate than "traditional Marital Arts."


Because marital arts have, for the most part, been a sport with virtually no relationship to actual fighting since repeating firearms became common and reliable.

Old_Zircon
Not to say that MMA isn't also a sport, but it's a sport whose whole conceit seems to be staying as practical as possible without actually mortally injuring each other.

This video is like putting an Olympic foil fencer up against a comparably skilled HEMA rapier fencer. Their skill levels may be comparable, but they are skilled in different disciplines.

Inoperableheart
The tai chi not being about that is a good point. A sanda fighter probably would have done fine against an MMA fighter. This guys style is just more like yoga than fighting.

Bort
Wonderella has a point:

http://nonadventures.com/2009/04/18/all-for-nautical/

spikestoyiu
There are already MMA fighters with a Sanda background or base. It's a good martial art and shares a lot with muay Thai, which is of course a great base for MMA.

Plenty of people in the MMA community understand and accept traditional martial arts for what they are. This guy just seems like a bozo trying to make a name for himself.

Sexy Duck Cop
Tai Chi "masters", as well as most hardcore TMA guys, are the exact opposite of "placid monks". There's pretty much a 1:1 correlation between how much quasi-Oriental hokum is in a martial art and the number of assholes that join. That's because, counterintuitively, getting your ass kicked on a regular basis in MMA/boxing/wrestling/BJJ forces you to be humble. You can't be a sanctimonious asshole when you're constantly losing in front of everybody. But in these ceremonial, low-contact arts, where authority is granted through decorum and not results, you attract the special sort pf asshole that brags about being humble.

Hooker
These Ip Man movies keep getting worse.
tesla_weapon
My stars are for hooker

The Mothership
Apples vs oranges.
Hooker
In an apple competition.

Chancho
I'm trying to decide whether to put my kids in boxing or jiu-jitsu. Sometimes people will suggest kung-fu or karate and I just have to chuckle to myself.
Cena_mark
Aikido.

Ninehells
How is "Hooligan" not considered a proper martial art? And what's all this BS about showing up for competitions sober?

Sexy Duck Cop
BJJ. It's insanely fun, practical, and way less wear and tear on your body

Sexy Duck Cop
In fairness to the Tai Chi guy, it was pretty unfair of the organizers to allow unorthodox techniques such as "punching" and "continuing to punch" in a fight. I mean, the guy's only a Triple Grandmaster. He doesn't have time to figure out a counter to every move in the universe.
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