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Desc:Google's effort to appeal to advertisers is doing more than demonetizing videos.
Category:Business, Educational
Tags:google, Censorship, Advertising, youtube, shake that money maker
Submitted:Hugo Gorilla
Date:11/30/17
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SolRo - 2017-11-30
I have a hard time caring about related videos being based on absolute profitability for google or optimized returns for advertisers. Crazy thought; I’d like related videos to be based on quality and relevance.
Old_Zircon - 2017-11-30
After working for most of a decade at one of the companies that pioneered the automated recommendation process and was the back-end provider of the technology to a lot of companies (Sony, Ericsson, LG, etc. etc.) I'd advise you not to hold your breath, because it's kind of bullshit.

Most of our data was manually lifted from last.fm by people like me, and basically it's using human generated content (first collected by actual people, then later about 15 years scraped automatically from publicly available sources because it was cheaper than employing humans to do it and the drop in quality didn't actually matter for the company's bottom line), an that's when it was at its best because there was still some degree of human curation.

The actual technology involved is very, very basic and is really only suited to maximizing profit - if you're looking for subjectively GOOD recommendations, you're not going to get it from algorithms. Ever. The best you can hope for is SAFE recommendations.

SolRo - 2017-11-30
Early youtube seemed pretty good. then google bought it and MONITIZED AND MAXIMIZED

Old_Zircon - 2017-12-01
Oh it has definitely gotten worse, no doubt.

Hooker - 2017-12-02
I remember I got into a fight with a friend after seeing Inception. He was saying how, during the hallway fight scene, it was amazing because there's no way they could have been using wirework because he had a trained eye for spotting wirework and couldn't see any of the tells. They used wirework for the scene. It later came out that he was basing this off being on the set of Final Destination 12 one day and seeing some budget wirework scene being filmed and the harness would wedgie the actors and shit like that.

Google's automation in 2017 is probably a lot better than some company from half a decade ago's who were scraping data from last.fm.

Pillager - 2017-11-30
Here's to hoping Vidme picks up YouTube's slack.
Old_Zircon - 2017-12-01
I started one, but I ahven't uploaded anything yet.

Hugo Gorilla - 2017-12-06
https://medium.com/vidme/goodbye-for-now-120b40becafa

Chicken the Did - 2017-11-30
I think it also has to do with how absolutely dystopian some companies can be as far as product placements and never, ever EVER giving the competition a chance to photo bomb. A terrifying real life example was how attendees of the London games who wore brand logos contrary to the Olympic sponsors were forced to cover every inch of the 'contraband' logos with tape.

It's all fine and good if you say 'Welcome to the real world of business and advertising, YouTubers' but it would have been super duper to lay out the rules at least somewhere for users to read instead of saying "You don't get to know the rules but you better follow every one! And if you break one you have to find out why yourself because we're not telling." So the user has to play whack-a-mole trying to find out just what the bloody Hell set an advertiser off.

An example was a use who found a wrecked pizza truck but because the logo was visible that was verboten. At least he thinks that's why.
kamlem - 2017-11-30
Even channels in my youtube subscription feed have disappeared in the last few months. For example, if anyone here is subscribed to the atheist experience channel, check and see if their uploads appear in your subscription feed. They don't for me, and I don't know why.
Meerkat - 2017-11-30
Youtube started recommended videos about Beekeeping for me, because I like Eddie Izzard who -- as it turns out -- IS COVERED IN BEES.

This is fine because Beekeeping videos are fucking fascinating. If I lived outside of city limits I would definitely start keeping bees.

I dunno why but I am just obsessed about bees. I don't have any pictures of bees or plush bees or posters of bees, or anything even bee related in my house or in my life. Nobody knows I am in awe of bees. None of my friends know; none of my family knows.

But if I could have a hive full of bees I would do it. I wouldn't even steal their honey, I just think their whole life cycle and insect society is amazing. Even how newly hatched queens will go around finding other queen cells and jam their stingers in there to quash potential rivals.

Bees are just amazing. If I had bees I would give my knees to them so that they would be the bee's knees.
TeenerTot - 2017-12-01
Your post just made my day.

Simillion - 2017-12-02
YouTube provides free hosting, free streaming, and free informatics. You also want free publicity and whine when your videos aren't promoted in searches.

Use YouTube for the hosting and streaming then and do your own publicity. Link to your video from another website. On that website, put up ads.

YouTube should state more honestly what gets vids monetized or not but this was, as this video points out, a free fucking gift to us in the first place.

Meerkat - 2017-12-02
Not enough bees.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2017-11-30
Could this guy be any more annoying especially with that background synth track?

5 for demonetized butthurt.
somedongus - 2017-11-30
I doubt it would be possible for this guy to get more annoying, but at least he isn't PEWDIPIE or FPSRussia. I still hope he dies painfully.

cognitivedissonance - 2017-11-30
We always need more gatekeepers, never less.
Chicken the Did - 2017-11-30
I know you are talking about this in the context of trust fund brats running YouTube channels but as I may be facing homelessness in the near future that statement came off kind of icky.

cognitivedissonance - 2017-12-01
No pity. I officially lost compassion for the Internet entrepreneur with the rise of Flat Earth Truthers, PewDiePie, and the Joker-murders-pregnant-Elsa flood. May the gravy train squeeze and choke.

betamaxed - 2017-12-01
I’m with you cog. I feel no remorse for thousands of useless dorks who are now crying at the possibility that they may need to get a real job and do something else for a living. If I was an advertiser I wouldn’t want my ads showing on this garbage heap either.

If video uploader doesnt like it they can either use another service or build their own.

Hooker - 2017-12-02
Hahahaha, won't anyone think of the massive corporate brands?

Jesus, what a side to stick up for.

Bisekrankas - 2017-12-01
Goddamn youtube, you used to be the cool uncle, now you are the creepy uncle.

Deducting 2 stars because of the presentation.
badideasinaction - 2017-12-01
On one hand there’s a legitimate issue here, on the other this one is becoming another proxy war for alt right shitheads to cry censorship because Youtube won’t let them hint at oppressing minorities.
betamaxed - 2017-12-02
@Hooker, it's not a matter of choosing a side it's a matter of fact. YouTube isn't the public square. A private company that owns/operates youtube is changing the way it operates. The people who upload content to youtube have 2 choices:

1. do nothing and accept it
2. leave and use something else

If anything I want content creators to go build their own solutions/platforms to deliver their content so they can be in control.

While I don't want to shill for corporations that don't need anyone's defense, I also don't want to paint a bunch of adult-babies who are now crying that they can't make money off of bullshit as being locked in some heroic struggle either.
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