But it cant work in America because our rich people are greedy self-serving assholes.
It's not that simple.
You're forgetting how many not-rich people here are living in a fantasy world where some day they too will be rich, and they sure as hell don't want their hard-earned billions going to pay doctor bills for brown people.
Those are just preemptive assholes
We do have to wait months for some operations, and government doesn't usually cover prescriptions... but yeah our outcomes in Canada are supposedly better on average
can you list those 'some operations'?
In America the tendency is to make it out like people in Canada are waiting in line while dying from horrible diseases or injuries
Knee surgery - you are fucked, may as well go private.
Hernia surgery - some people wait a month, some people almost a year
non-urgent skin cancers - wait, wait some more, it's still a tiny spot
Endoscopy checkups - I am a year late, for a test I need to get done every year.
MRI Scan's - I think Canada has 5 MRI machines... I kid, sort of
Those are just my personal experiences and my observations with friends.
Non-emergency high-demand surgeries are the ones that have long waiting times, things like knee replacements. For some people that can mean pain management during the wait, but the queues are managed to try to put the most-needing at the front. I mean it's not ice cream and rainbows, but you can expect general competence at managing scarcity of the providers.
Emergency cases are always dealt with first.
Private health care is profiting from illness, injury, and death. It is an abomination.
Two Jar Slave
My friend had to wait a year for breast reduction surgery. She wasn't having back issues yet, but she wanted to get ahead of it. That's a pretty good example of an operation you'd wait for in Canada.
This spring, my uncle got a combination of lymphoma, leukemia, a rare blood infection, and bleeding ulcers. He was hospitalized immediately and very, very nearly didn't make it. Now he's been in there for four months, seeing a team of doctors every day, being prescribed mega cocktails of drugs, constant scans, and like nine bags of blood per day. He even swallowed a little robot camera at one point, which I thought was neat. Anyway, he'll be in the hospital for at least another two months while he recovers his strength.
When he leaves, he will be charged a total of zero dollars. He will be able to resume his life more or less right where he left off, and that's good.
Two Jar Slave
Oh yeah, it took me about a year to track down a non-urgent intestinal problem (turned out to be gluten intolerance). Saw six doctors and plenty of lab work in between. Sometimes I had to wait a week or more for the next appointment. My guts hurt on and off for a year, and I was really relieved to get it figured out, but it was far from being an emergency. So that's another example.
Two Jar Slave
I've also taken my two year old to the hospital four times. The first was three days after he was born, and he was barely eating. He was getting dozier and dozier, which is a dangerous spiral for a newborn. The next three times were for lung issues that crop up whenever he catches a flu. Each time, I've had to wait less than 20 minutes to see a nurse, less than an hour to see a doctor. The care and attention given have been top notch. He's been prescribed a puffer that costs about $10/year.
Hearing your kid wheezing for breath is stressful. My wife and I have never had to debate whether we could afford to get him looked at, and I am profoundly grateful for that.
Two Jar Slave
Honestly, I could go all day. I come from lower middle class rroot and most of my peers have little money. The healthcare system isn't perfect, but it has bettered most of our lives in ways that none of us could have afforded if we'd lived under a privatized system.
Mr Carrey said in his speech that "some people need to be taken care of," and that's partly correct. I would point out that ALL people need to be taken care of at some point in their lives, even if it's only at the end. I strongly believe that exposing sick people to financial ruin during those times is evil -- and probably bad business too.
Decades ago, my spleen ruptured. I was rushed to emerg, the doc took a look, and I was sent off to surgery with a 50/50 chance of survival.
I still don't know how it turned out. I really hope this isn't all a coma dream.
I'm in Soviet Canuckistan.
Two months ago, I woke up having trouble breathing and coughing up pink frothy phlegm. I went to the emergency room of the local hospital. I was given x-rays, cat-scan, ECG, two exams by doctors, multiple blood tests.
After seven hours they found nothing but I was feeling better. They booked an appointment with a lung specialist for a bronchoscopy. I was given a prescription for antibiotics.
The next week I had a bronchoscopy. I had to be put under sedation with a mixture of fentanyl and diazepam. They found nothing except that I probably have sleep apnea (the breathing monitor was going off due to low blood oxygen when I was coming off sedation.)
I feel fine now, thanks. It was probably just a virus that hit me really hard.
I don't have any medical insurance through work. I pay $75 a month for my family and me through the provincial medical plan. I would pay nothing every month if I was poor or unemployed.
My total cost for all of the procedures and tests beyond what I pay for the provincial medical plan was zero dollars. I paid $16 for the antibiotics.
You poor, suffering socialist.
In Freedom Land you could have had concierge doctors do all those tests without having to wait a week. and it would only have cost sixty thousand dollars.
A CAT scan alone is a couple thousand dollars here
Two years ago my dad had a double whammy of an autoimmune disease of the lungs plus strep pneumonia that required a five week stay in the hospital, with two of those weeks spent in intensive care intubated under an induced coma. Two weeks of countless chest x-rays, CT scans, blood work and a whole cocktail of IV medications. We came very close to losing him twice, but by some miracle he managed to pull through.
He's since recovered, but is currently on the hook for about $180,000 because of some fuckup on the part of his insurance company.
I’m from Canada to. A few years ago I found a giant, hard lump in the middle of my breast. I was mostly calm since it was probably a cyst since a tumor wouldn’t immediately get that big without me noticing. I made an appointment with my doctor and saw him a few days later (cost:$0) he said it was probably a cyst and since I was young, he booked me a sonogram, rather than a mamogram at the hospital for a week later. I went in early to wait and actually got in 40 minutes before I was scheduled, got sonoed*, was told it was a cyst that was mostly gone and that I could go home and they’d call me if it ended up being something else (cost:$0). By the time I got home, it was when my appointment had been actually scheduled for.
*if you ever get a sonogram on your breasts and they offer to heat up the gel, I advise against it. It felt... gross.
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canadian here. my dad was diagnosed with osteoarthritis, and a few years later, he needed a hip replacement. this went well, but in the process of getting an MRI for his hip, doctors found an anyeurism in his brain. the doctors fixed this with some microscopy that still amazes me, but be next year dad was found to have degenerative disc disorder in his lower vertebrae. the surgeons fused his lower back, but began having problems with his leg. he was batted around specialists for awhile, trying to figure out what the issue was, and in the meantime his leg was swelling up horribly. my mom brought him the ER, where dad underwent emergency surgery. the whole thing was such a blur, to be honest i forget what the issue ended up being, but they fixed him up again. i flew home and took mom out for lunch.
if anyones curious what the leg issue was I can ask mom
My dad is really good now, he doesn’t even need to walk with a cane anymore. mom says he looks strong. they went on a cruise last spring and next year they’re going to antigua.
dad lives two hours from Buffalo. At no point did he cross the border any pay for a cat scan or MRI. he had to wait for weeks, at times, but when he turned up at the ER with they saw to him right away.
i think if socialized medicine wasn’t GENERALLY working out for us we’d vote to go private, but tbh it sounds fuckin horrifying
|You People Are Idiots |
Mr antivax with the ex-gf herpes suicide is right on this one
but we sure hate payin taxes
if it means ''''the guy i hate'' or
''''''welfare queens'' get '''something fur freee''
the insurers have all the pols
by the balls and always will
and all they have to do is keep
tellin us about waiting lists and
commies and we go back to
daydreamin about a job that covers dental
I know Canada's system isn't as good as some other countries. So, two points:
(1) We could do it differently, and avoid the mistakes (like other countries).
(2) I'd rather have slow/mediocre healthcare than NO healthcare or ludicrously overpriced healthcare.
Followup: My friend just got his bill from the hospital-- he required a 20 min helicopter ride to a different city in an emergency. $41,000. U.S.A! U.S.A.!
Counterpoint: Have you ever met an American? Most of them *deserve* to get sick and die.
Counter-counterpoint: Of course, the few that don't deserve to suffer are almost invariably not well off, thus guaranteeing that they are among the sufferers.
Executive summary: Fuck this country. Its demise didn't come a moment too soon.
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