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jfcaron_ca - 2018-11-21

I also enjoy TMP. Among the original cast movies, I'd rank it only below Wrath of Khan for quality and Star Trekyness.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2018-11-21

From Worst to best:

5 1 3 2 6 4

They're all worth a look, and after a few years, another.

I LOVE the first Abrams Star Trek movie. The early conflict between Kirk and Spock makes perfect sense for the characters, and Leonard Nimoy's appearance was just brilliant. The meeting of old Spock and young Spock at the end was the perfect culmination of Spock Prime's character arc, especially in the movies, where he came to embrace his human side. it was one of the best things about those movies, and it absolutely started with TMP.

If there was anything I didn't like about that first Abrams Star Trek movie, it was the way Abrams automatically went for the rousing rah-rah happy ending, when it wasn't really appropriate. It was great that Earth was saved, but Vulcan was destroyed. The whole planet! Fucking VULCAN! Spock's mom! There should have been a little melancholy at the end, a little bit of mourning, but everybody just seemed to forget about it. Earth saved, disaster averted. It looked like Abrams just didn't want to slow down his razzle-dazzle pace. The pace was more important than the story.

Two Jar Slave - 2018-11-21

Bang-on rating (thanks for not putting Khan at #1). I would only add:

5 13 2 6 4

Two Jar Slave - 2018-11-21

Editor messed up my lame joke. S'posed to be a bunch of blank spaces between 3 and 2.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2018-11-22

I've only recently discovered the best to worst ranking trope that's been all over the internet for God knows how long. It's a lot of fun, more so when you don't agree than when you do. Though I just learned from Two Jar Slave that when someone likes your ranking, that's the most fun of all! So thanks for that!

The part where I really had a hard time was whether to put Khan or the Undiscovered Country in second place. I decided that Undiscovered Country should get the Silver because of the momentous events that would lead to detente with the Klingons, and because Spock assumed the role of ambassador, which in the Star Trek Universe was probably his greatest claim to fame. Also, Kirk's resistance to the peace process was an interesting dynamic for him,

>>>thanks for not putting Khan at #1

I think that Khan is a natural choice if you're a fan of the show itself. it brings back one of the most memorable adversaries from TOS and more than the other five, it plays like a really top-drawer TOS episiode with high production values and room to breathe. I remember Siskel and Ebert talking about Kahn, and one of the words they used, I'm almost certain, was "relaxed". For everybody, including the audience, it felt good to be back.

My number 1 is The Voyage Home, because I'm not a fan of the show itself as much as I'm a fan of that Shatner-Nimoy-Kelly-Doohan-Nichols-etc magic, In the Voyage Home, they took their familiar characters, and boldly went where no TV drama had gone before, into straight-up comedy, and it was excellent, HIGH comedy. It came out of these wonderful actors, building on characters they knew cold because they'd been playing them for 20 years. Star Trek is always good, but it never got better than that.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2018-11-22

>>>I've only recently discovered the best to worst ranking trope that's been all over the internet for God knows how long.

Correction: I meant Worst to Best

Two Jar Slave - 2018-11-21

What I remember not liking about this movie, and what J J Abrams actually gets right in his nonsensical reboots, is the emotional arc from scene to scene. TMP is all over the place. One second, Kirk is ga-ga at the sight of his old ship. The next moment, he's close to tears at the sight of a human station being destroyed. Within another moment, he's like "Oh Bones, you wacky old grouch!" And then he's hostile again about his first officer or whatever. Something about it just doesn't "flow" properly from mood to mood.

As much as I enjoy Goldsmith's score, I think a big problem is that the emotionality of the music doesn't jive with what's happening in the story. Like, they're taking an untrained crew out to investigate an unstoppable murder cloud even while there's palpable fractures between senior officers, but the soundtrack is all WHAT A FUN NEW ADVENTURE WITH MY PALS!

Maybe it's time for a rewatch.

Seven Arts/H8 Red - 2018-11-21

With TMP, I think it was a case of Paramount salvaging as much of the Paramount Television Service concept as it could (see: Solid Gold being distributed by PTS for a couple of years). "In Thy Image" went from debut story of a proposed fourth network's flagship series to Paramount's holiday blockbuster of 1979. The objective was primarily to get the thing out on time and exploit Star Trek interest before that ran its course.

Forty years later, making Star Trek shows the flagship of something like UPN or CBS All Access is something one does after coffee, toast and a morning shit.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2018-11-21

I don't like RLM, so I didn't watch the video, but one thing I find HILLLARRRIOUS about the first Star Trek movie is the way the costumes reveal the subtle but discernible influence of late 70s disco fashions. Shatner's hair has been dyed and perhaps permed... to make him look more like Travolta? Or maybe he was already wearing a rug.


Two Jar Slave - 2018-11-21

Pretty sure he was berugged by The Original Series.

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