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Desc:You don't need two parties when your party is the People's Party
Category:News & Politics, Educational
Tags:communism, China, capitalism, socialism, imperialism
Submitted:Maru
Date:12/09/18
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Comment count is 24
Hazelnut - 2018-12-09
China certainly should become more democratic. But who should it take for its role model?

- The amazing democracy we've brought to Iraq?
- Post-Communist democracy in Russia?
- The populism of Trump's America?
- The unity and public spirit of Brexit Britain?
- The ethnic harmony and stability of India?
- The popularity and unity of the European Union?

Remember that if you get the answer wrong, you risk fragmentation and famine beyond any the world has yet seen, death counts in the hundreds of millions.

Not that I like the current government's trajectory towards one-man rule over a surveillance state. But let's at least have some sympathy for the challenges involved.
blase - 2018-12-09
South Korea or Japan? With great freedoms comes great responsibility, so making quality education a priority (which would include critical thinking) should be the standard for any country that considers democracy. Right now, China currently has a huge inland population with varying levels of education and I can envision segments of the population that would be very easily manipulated by propaganda. (IMO this has been the downfall of the USA).

gmol - 2018-12-09
The two US client states that have long been strategic assets *against* China would be good models *for* China? Really?

Zoot42 - 2018-12-09
Honestly given China's size and population I think and old-school united states model would do best. With an emphasis on the rights of individual states/provinces. Education would be most important as well as programs to empower migrants and people living in the countryside. Technology would be super important because it would help make things like tallying billions of votes easier. Infrastructure and travel would also be an imperative to unite the country economically.

badideasinaction - 2018-12-09
I think we're seeing the problem being that states, like companies, can become too big to fail.

Two Jar Slave - 2018-12-11
Yeah, Hazel, I guess everything really is equal to everything else after all.

You People Are Idiots - 2018-12-11
lmfao yea mr hazelscat dem vote livin in london, why cant they b sensible and vote for this sort of democracy????????????
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/12/10/pelosi-schumer-trump-bor der-wall-offer-shutdown

Hazelnut - 2018-12-11
Here we see YPAI trying to form a sentence, choking on his usual mouthful of bullshit.

You People Are Idiots - 2018-12-11
here we see the standard cucky reply from hazelscatmunch who loves each an every dem turd in his mouth or on his chest while his wife trawls shoreditch again 4 some strange

Hazelnut - 2018-12-12
Well, that's the problem with what Nancy Pelosi referred to as a "tickle fight with a skunk". YPAI is a piece of shit, as we knew already.

As for democracy in China, I'm all for it! I'm just saying it's hard to get from here to there without an explosion. I applaud Blase's suggestion that South Korea is the example to imitate, but then I ask: how did they do it? And the answer is GRADUALLY.

You People Are Idiots - 2018-12-13
ooh tetchy looks like i hit a nerve ha ha ha ha
is ur wife on her 5th or her 6th strange dick this week?????

'''''''as for democracy in china'' shut the fuck up barren balls
u are an american living in fucking england
mind ur fucking business u pseudo political halfwit

Hazelnut - 2018-12-13
Nobody likes you YPAI, soon enough you'll flounce off the site like the others.

You People Are Idiots - 2018-12-15
Yeah they dont have time to like anyone while breeding ur wife hazelnutless

Zoot42 - 2018-12-09
Now China is descending into genocide on a level not seen since the Hitler and Stalin era. Truly the party is the best system ever!
Spike Jonez - 2018-12-09
Citations needed.

Marlon Brawndo - 2018-12-09
see: a million Muslims disappearing into "reeducation patriot camps"

Fuck China so hard.

Zoot42 - 2018-12-09
Here spike:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/muslims-ca mps-china/

SolRo - 2018-12-10
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't China had re-education and prisoner work camps for a very long time already?

Zoot42 - 2018-12-10
Yes, but these are special new camps which are meant only for the Muslim Uyghurs. Currently it is estimated that around one million people (around 10% of the Uyghur population) are interred. The camps have been expanding rapidly and the true scale of everything is unknown.

Tibet and other religious minorities have received similar treatment but the scale of this seems to be much larger.

blase - 2018-12-09
WRT a purely hypothetical 'what if China were to become a democracy' scenario... From a sociocultural standpoint, those countries have more in common with China than India, Iraq or the USA, even if they aren't on the best political terms with each other...
blase - 2018-12-09
(that was supposed to be in reply to gmol)

gmol - 2018-12-09
'best political terms' is a rather charitable characterization of diametric opposition.


Well known facts to frame the discussion:

"For twenty years (1949-1969), the United States tried to disrupt, destabilize, and weaken China’s communist government."
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/special/china_1950_us_china.htm< br />
"Most scholars, like Allen Whiting and Hao Yufan, argue that the reason for the Chinese intervention was mainly the security concern of a possible U.S. invasion of Chinese territory."
http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/1069/explaining-china s-intervention-in-the-korean-war-in-1950


You can't suggest those two client states as models for China without realizing that one of the reason the ways things are the way they are is *because* they are client states. I'm not saying you can't bring it up for discussion, but to not acknowledge the board positions of those countries with respect to the US is really disingenuous.

blase - 2018-12-13
But under this purely hypothetical scenario, if China were to become a democracy, might they also become an ally of the USA?

In the context of the OP, the cultural environment of the other countries mentioned are not as comparable: for example, the United States is a relatively new nation of immigrants that celebrates the freedom and achievements of individuals; the pioneers, renegades and so forth. ...whereas the Far East is an ancient culture rooted in philosophies that place great value on family and community. So the best model to study would be how other Far East countries have approached a democratic political system; how they govern, etc.

We don't know whether or not the other countries would cease to be democratic nations if the U.S. ceased to be an influence. The generations that have grown up under a more democratic political system may want to keep it that way.

(BTW, merely replying "ah, it'll never happen" would save further time and effort)

Old_Zircon - 2018-12-09
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