|Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-20 |
The current account of what happened is this:
- The boys are from a private Catholic school in Kentucky. They were in Washington to participate in a Right to Life March.
- The annual Indigenous Peoples March was being held in Washington on the same day.
- The boys, wearing "Make America Great Again" hats approached the IPM chanting, "Build that wall!"
- Members of the IPM, including the drummer seen in the video, moved to intercept the boys. They began a ritual chant.
- The boys countered by doing the "tomahawk chop," a sort of cheer...thing that began with fans of the Atlanta Braves but has become a thing Trump supporters do to mock Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.
- The boy in the video refused to move back and stared smiling at Nathan Phillips, the drum-playing Omaha Elder, former Marine & Vietnam war veteran.
My favorite part is watching the kid go from a smug douchebro grin to confused anxiety by the end of the video.
That elder is a national treasure. The kid is trash. If you are lucky enough to meet an elderly Marine veteran, you do NOT pull that shit. He'll be lucky if a couple of much younger Marines don't visit him in an alleyway some dark, cold winter night and beat the absolute fuck out of him.
I take back what I said. I don't think this kid is trash. I think it feels like we all walked in on a situation and thought we knew what was going on and when you see all the footage that led up to it, it's even more incredible. There were jerks everywhere and the Native American guy was trying to help, but his intentions were severely misunderstood.
nah, this kid is trash
John Holmes Motherfucker
That was a very astute observation, binro. It looks to me like the slowly dawning realization is "this is going to be on youtube"
There's already been an incident of the kid being identified on Twitter, incorrectly. My punch-boner notwithstanding, I don't want to see the repercussions follow them forever. That'll just push them into the far right permanently. The best outcome we can hope for is that these young dumbasses get an opportunity to see themselves as the world sees them. Some will use the opportunity better than others.
Your enthusiasm for believing and spreading lies is really bad this time.
|John Holmes Motherfucker - 2019-01-20 |
That kid's face gives me a punch-boner.
About the Elizabeth Warren Nontroversy:
Today I've seen three videos (counting commercials) about people who weren't clear about their ancestry before getting a DNA. I don't see how Elizabeth Warren is any different from any of these people. It pisses me off that supporters of the president who trolled the mayor of London during a terrorist attack, accused a black woman reporter of being racist when she asked a question about nationalism, who complained about the liberal media while addressing the boy scout jamboree, and then lied like a little boy about the reaction to that speech... it pisses me off that fans of this doofus think that Elizabeth Warren is embarrassing, and it pisses me off that they seem pretty racist in their way of expressing this.
I think it's actually an advantage for her in the race. Trump isn't going to be able to stop himself from calling her "Pocahontas" over and over. It's gonna get so oooooooold!
Why do you think the MAGA crowd finds Warren embarrassing? Everything I've seen (all from media sources; nothing first-hand) suggests much more direct emotions: hatred, fear, contempt, etc.
Whoops. I meant this reply for the above thread.
i can't speak for all people but from my experience growing up in the white trash flyover a large swath of people resent you deeply if you leave the hinterlands and make something of yourself - especially if that something is a high-fallutin' big-city pro-fessor and polly-tician who doesn't think anybody who isn't exactly like tammy and brad should be pushed out to sea on icebergs
Warren used Native American status to help promote her career. I get that she thought she might have Native DNA in her, but the problem is that she herself made such a big deal out of introducing herself as a woman of color. Harvard touted her as the first Native American female faculty member and that I DO most certainly have a problem with.
Native American groups, especially the Cherokee nation, have been asking her to apologize for years now and she never has. I think the whole "Trump is racist for calling her Pocahontas" thing is a bit hyperbolic because I think he's making fun of her for being a hypocrite and appropriating a culture which isn't hers specifically to claim (Cherokee). Not that Trump and this kid aren't douchenozzles but fair is fair.
John Holmes Motherfucker
Googled a little bit of Elizabeth Warren's history with this. It's weird, and I'll need to learn more, but I feel certain Trump is using it as cover for racism, and as evidence, please note how easily these MAGA-hatted chuckleheads appropriated the gesture for mocking Elizabeth Warren to mock a real Native American.
I believe there is a racist subtext, and it is that whiteness is no longer being embraced as a sign of status, and to whites, that connotes a loss of status. Elizabeth Warren is a race traitor.
And isn't it at the very least ignorant to use an Algonquin woman to address e\Elizabeth Warren's claim to be Cherokee.
Here's an interesting thing. I went to a website looking for examples of famous Cherokees, and I saw l a list that included Iron Eyes Cody, an Italian American actor.
John Holmes Motherfucker
Also I think it's weird that MAGAGAs are so hung up on this. "LOL! 99.99 per cent white!" is a comment I read the other day. Whatever the context, obsessively focusing on the candidate's racial stock over and over is just plain creepy.
I think there's racism at play but I'm not sure how much racism. These kids are stupid but I don't know how hateful they are. They were getting into an argument with black Israelites so who the hell knows what they thought when they were approached by a Native American guy singing in his native language and beating on a drum? The problem here is that this guy, who I have the deepest respect for, approached them without telling them that he wasn't trying to side against them. He was praying on gut instinct and this whole thing had so little communication or a breakdown of communication that I really badly want this kid to get together with this old man so they can talk about what happened. I want that for them both. I want this kid to be given a chance to know that this man was a veteran, that he is an activist, that he is a spiritual warrior and that he had good intentions, and I want him to be given a chance to show the world he is capable of more.
I dunno. I want the world to be a better place than it is, but people do need to be given chances at explaining what's going through their heads.
The tomohawk chop hands are gross. They probably got too used to mocking Warren with that and fell back on it as a response and they need to learn exactly WHY that's hurtful. I don't know how much they know about Native culture and history and why casually going with that as a de facto response is ignorant.
I want so badly for all these kids to go to a reservation and experience it firsthand, talk with Native elders, learn from them, come to a heartfelt humility and make peace with the reality that they don't have to be on the defense all the goddamn time. It's dismissive, but that might have been because they were hyped up over the black Israelites. Teenage boys are often stupid and don't think.
I want to get drunk now.
|Anaxagoras - 2019-01-20 |
Oh....and yeah. The smirk on the kid's face at the beginning gives me a raging punch-boner too.
It's a good thing I'm not physically at any of these MAGA/decent person confrontations. I would probably either get into a fist fight or slink away in cowardice. (I'm not real sure which course I'd take, since I've rarely had to deal with physical violence. But neither course is particularly helpful.)
|Hazelnut - 2019-01-20 |
I can't bring myself to watch -- the sheer face-punchability is enough
|Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-20 |
I immediately want to punch this kid multiple times to wipe that smirk off his face.
But I think I'll let the rage of the Internet and viral hatred do that work for me.
|Two Jar Slave - 2019-01-20 |
Seeing this white maga youth's smug face makes me want to encourage educational improvements that give young people the historical context to understand contemporary trials faced by minorities in America, so that he and his kind can learn to respect others, have humility, and become better, more thoughtful citizens who can help our society navigate an increasingly uncertain future.
OR FUCKING PUMMEL HIS GODDAMN FACE RIGHT BOYS
|jangbones - 2019-01-20 |
over 30 percent of Americans support Trump's wall
it's over folks, racism ate America, pack it up and move to your respective ethno-state
Binro the Heretic
Over 30% of people who answered a poll support the wall.
30% of people in America have seen at least one poll.
America has so many polls maybe you could stack 'em into a wall of sorts.
|TeenerTot - 2019-01-20 |
So I read about the nuns/teachers at this school saying this isn't what they teach there. They teach tolerance, and treating everyone with dignity.
Well then, you are real fucking failures as teachers, aren't you.
Umm. It's a fucking Catholic school. What they're shoving down these kids' throats is hardly state-mandated.
So the issue is batshit insane religion?
Carry on, Wayward Son.
|Caminante Nocturno - 2019-01-21 |
Of course most of you retards fell for this.
|Sanest Man Alive - 2019-01-21 |
"He's just young, he doesn't know better" eventually turns into "he's just a relic of his time, you can't change him" and racist scum still never knows punishment for being racist scum.
It's really cute that everyone defending this FOX pundit in training just conveniently forgets the little shit came with a busload of his friends from a Catholic school for a fucking pro-life rally, all of them redcapped and ready to make life miserable for everyone they hate. You don't make a trip like that because you're having second thoughts about your worldview.
You hem-hawing dustfarts wanna know a good first step to stop someone being racist? Make it socially imfuckingpossible for them to get away with it. I honestly don't even care if he never self-examines or becomes a better person after getting "bullied" off social media, I only care that he never harasses anyone else this way. So yeah, let lefty Twitter roast the Poor Little White Boy alive, because all the Sorkin-blowing civility brokers out there would never do shit about it anyway.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/picture-of- the-conflict-on-the-mall-comes-into-clearer-focus/2019/01/20/c078f 092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.49bdf4b21a36< br />
Turns out maybe you should be civil because the world is complicated, things aren't as simple as they first appear, and you're talking about CHILDREN. You ass.
Sanest Man Alive
Ooh, ooh, now say something about reaching out to these misguided kids and teaching them better, I've almost got a Hand-Wringing Liberal BINGO here!
Go bootstrap yourself into the sun. Y'all buy into and propagate the same tired-ass lies to defend this shit every fucking time, because it means you get to keep refusing to examine your own racist, sexist tendencies.
Nobody in a MAGA hat deserves sympathy, nor do pro-lifers. Shame them out of public altogether. They can reintegrate after they stop being shit. Only a morally compromised coward would offer to meet them halfway.
I have one little quibble with Yuck. These are NOT children. If you can take a road trip to protest someone's rights, you are not an innocent little child.
You're a retard.
Sanest Man Alive
That all you got you walking South Park episode? This Bingo card's got X's now.
Keep bending over backwards to excuse racist thugs and then wondering why a nation at large can be okay with thousands of kids torn from families and locked in cages.
Keep stanning the wealthy and privileged every time they come close to facing actual consequences for their harmful actions.
Keep acting like minors are incapable of thinking or deciding anything for themselves because it lets you assure yourself that you know What's Really Going On.
And keep reminding everyone that when you bother to talk about understanding or tolerance, you still don't and never did give a good goddamn about Elder Nathan Philips or anyone else these assholes tried to victimize, because like the mass media circling wagons around Sandmann, you want power to stay right where it is so YOU can keep saying and doing whatever the fuck you want too.
Thinking that everyone that is pro life or Republican is so objectively wrong that they need to be exiled and harassed is ridiculous.
I think abortion should not only be legal, it should be free. But, to think it's so cut and dry, above moral and philosophical debate: baby brained. Personal responsibility and moral imaguity is not the left's strong suit. (Not rape, obviously)
A lot of Trump support is just opposition to the left's direction. Which I think there are legitimate criticisms to me made. (Trump was a dumb solution, obviously).
Minors should be cut a bit of slack. They're inundated with political propaganda telling them half of the country is insane and dangerous. I assume you're an adult, and look at your logic.
This particular scene is so insignificant it's absurd. I'm sure the kid is a little shit, but who cares?
But, just because it'll be funny: how was the native guy victimized?
- Sent from Razor
Sanest Man Alive
"how was the native guy victimized" lmaooooooo WHERE YOU WANNA START
Fuck, this is some advanced compromise poisoning and I canadmit I ain't got the treatment for it. Tragic waste of air and meat and sapience, even worse than the outright bigots. Ask nicely and character-witness for a rapist and maybe the GOP will let you sit at the cool kids table again, next time they've got use for you.
Anyway that's picture frames, so I'm turning in my card and cashing in these Whataburger coupons. Go ahead and call yourself a hero today hoss, you've bested this threat to your cultural hegemony unquestioningly! Unquestionably? Meh, same diff. Catch you on the both sides.
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