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Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-20

This video gives a much better picture of what the Indigenous Peoples March was up against than the one I posted.

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-20

I just found a video that shows about 20 minutes of footage that leads up to this and it is astonishing. I submitted it to the hopper. All of the stuff with the black Muslims slamming women and Jews, the students who were jerks, jerks being jerks to each other, the misinterpreation of what Nathan Phillips was trying to accomplish, the students and miscommunication between everyone involved.

I swear to God this is like a real life version of Rashomon.

That guy - 2019-01-20

Marlon if you submitted something that complicates the whole thing, maybe paste the link to what video it is?

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-20

Here you go, That Guy. 20 minutes of I can't even.


And here is some Native American music to make you not feel like stabbing something.


Gamara II - 2019-01-20

The Rashoman comment is spot on. I wanted to punch this kid too at first, but later realized it was I who should be punched, for not remembering that video framing and timing can strongly influence interpretation of an event. In the other angles it shows the man drumming walked up to the group, and was not blocked from behind.

I never thought I'd defend anyone in a MAGA hat, even in a specific instance, but I don't want to have fuel added to anyone's "FAEKNEWWWZ" fire, on either side of the political spectrum.

Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-21

So the kids were lying about Black people who taunting them?

Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-21

FUCK! Replied to the wrong one. Ignore the above.

That guy - 2019-01-21

Ok Marlon, I checked it out. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you, and I didn't upvote or downvote the 20 minute video in the hopper because I don't have a strong opinion on if it should be here or not.

As far as having a bunch of shitty screwballs, both the left and the right have plenty. The left can be shitty all day, it doesn't mean the right isn't shitty. The right can be shitty all day, it doesn't mean the left isn't shitty.

One side can much more powerful in the big picture (e.g. the American right, right now) and that does matter in context, but the other side's shit can and does still stink.

I've been to enough protests/demonstrations that screwballs and bad behavior surprise me not at all.

Nothing I saw here changed my opinion on whether that teen with the MAGA hat is a piece of trash. He's a smug piece of shit in a MAGA hat- conclusion: he's trash, and regardless of what his enemies do.

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-21

I thought he was trash at first but that wasn't very nice of me.

I am trying to see the best in people and not be influenced by what the media tells me to feel.

This kid deserves a chance at redemption.

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-22

Philip Defranco covered this really well by trying to piece together exactly who said what.


That guy - 2019-01-22

Oh, redemption is possible, sure. I'm not assuming he's set in his ways for life.

Sanest Man Alive - 2019-01-22

fuckin surprise surprise, the rich little scumbag's scumbag parents hired a goddamn PR firm to spin his story after he started getting dragged and a bunch of "previously unseen" footage just suddenly comes to light:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2019/01/21/co vington-catholic-runswitch-pr-helped-student-in-controversial-vide o/2638400002/

Gosh I just don't know what's what anymore! Maybe the kids are racist, maybe fish eat hammers on Jupiter! The truth must be somewhere in the middle! REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER BOTH SIDES OF THIS STORY FOLKS MAYBE THAT SLUTTY DRUM CIRCLE WAS JUST ASKING FOR IT

Congratulations to every hand-wringing centrist on this site so desperate to see a "bigger picture" and pretend you're above argument you once again buy into the bully's story over his victim

And Marlon Brawndo's a cryptofash TERF and far from the only one here so of course they'll happily spread lies and stan an abuser of any stripe

M-DEEM - 2019-01-20

Somewhere in the whole unedited clusterfuck there's a part where a black hebrew israelite tells the black kid(2:20) that the whites are going to harvest his organs some day. Fucking amazing. Those poor guys can out-hate anybody, and never get any shine

Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-20


That statement is bullshit and you are bullshit.

Hazelnut - 2019-01-20

I am inclined to believe Binro.

M-DEEM - 2019-01-20

I'm inclined to miss the days when poetv was a celebration of craziness and not internet outhouse wall #2678654 for couchridden outrage bandwagon dipshits

Miss Henson's 6th grade class - 2019-01-20

I'll have you know I'm sitting in a chair.

Meerkat - 2019-01-20

POE was always a world of mocking derisive conflict and outrage.

They loved nothing better than when a site owner would show up and let everyone pile onto them (prime directive). Sometimes the exhibits would even read things and understand them and learn something.

And sometimes not.

casualcollapse - 2019-01-20


Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-20

I just submitted a video that shows MUCH more of the black Israelites group...it's all amazing.

BHWW - 2019-01-20

This is a lie. There is video everywhere, for fuck's sake. Two fucking hours of video, a lot of it just the deranged BIs screaming about Jesus being a pedophile and how Hitler wasn't wrong. Then the kids thinking the natives were on their side, when they were just there to pile on the abuse. And whatever the kids were chanting, it certainly wasn't "build that wall" or whatever the fuck. There are in fact at least five videos I've seen, all of which show Phillips and the black Israelites approaching the kids, getting in their faces, and hurling slurs at them. The ONLY thing the kids do during the entire incident is smile, defend their black friend, then, get this, defend gay people.

Phillips has changed his story from"singing to educate kids after MAGA chant" to "breaking up a racial incident." Nobody challenges him.
Just saying this guy has made various "and that student's name? Albert Einstein" level claims over the years, like, three years ago he claimed he was assaulted after coming across a frat party in full Indian costume...at *noon*, outdoors, in April.

That kid isn't sneering, I don't think. That's a confusion/anxiety grimace. A weird old man comes up to you in public banging a drum and people turn cameras on you after you've had a variety of weirdos shouting at you and your friends for awhile -- QUICK how do you react? The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not when he came up to them, after being razzed by the Black Israelites, but tentatively joined in his chanting.

And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the "Black Hebrew Israelites" continued to hoot and holler at other people, and nothing else happened.

But we know where people like POE-TV's own whiny, high-school grudge-nursing bitchy manchild Binro is coming from, since a variety of people from journalists to comedians to actors and pundits have been engaging in so much absolutely psychotic projecting; these people want to dox and ruin some teens because one of them reminds them of someone who was more popular than them in, screaming that these kids are just like the people who used to bully them in school, or something, and since they are all still nursing grudges against Chad Thunderjock or whoms't'v'ever they've been calling for all of the kids involved to be doxxed, beaten up, attacked, kicked in the groin, etc. Others at the very least advocated for the people involved and their families to have their lives ruined and to be hounded by baying mobs. Supposedly their school is considering punishments up to expulsion. The over reaction, the transparently manufactured need for revenge from armchair generals in the media, including the sort of scum who write for clickbait sites like Gizmodo, it's all so tiresome.

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-20

BHWW, I agree that the media spinning racial incidents into the stratosphere is out of control and really frightening.

Caminante Nocturno - 2019-01-20

This is one of the worst examples of people and media lying to create outrage I've seen, and that sort of thing has been happening hard and fast for a while now.

Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-21

So do any of you think the kids in the MAGA hats would have had a polite discussion about race & politics with those Black folks had Mr. Phillips & the others not intercepted them?

They wore those hats to provoke trouble. They provoked trouble. They came off looking bad in public. Now they want to cry about it.

Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Caminante Nocturno - 2019-01-21

Everything you've heard about this is a lie, Binro. Stop repeating them.

Binro the Heretic - 2019-01-21

So the kids were lying about Black people taunting them, Caminante?

Caminante Nocturno - 2019-01-21

Don't try to be clever.

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-21

They weren't wearing the hats to "start trouble". They were going to a prayer rally and they weren't planning on getting into a fight with black Israelites. It's a Catholic school. It's not like the priests in charge were like "yeah, let's have our Catholic students interact with radical black Israelites who hate everyone today."

That's not realistic. It's also not realistic to assume everyone who wears a MAGA hat is trying to start a fight. I thought that a long time ago and I was wrong. I got upset at a few people I knew for wearing them when Trump first came out with them and I was wrong. I was being way too sensitive and I got over it.

casualcollapse - 2019-01-20

God I want to punch that kid that got in that native Americans face so bad

Marlon Brawndo - 2019-01-20

I hated him at first and wanted to punch him like everyone else did. But now I think his reaction was just being a smart alleck rather than hugely racist. The fact is that Nathan Phillips came up to them because he was trying to pray with his drum and he wanted to divert attention from the two groups (the white Catholic students who showed up for a prayer rally and the black Israelites preaching about their superiority and the two groups were just starting to go at it) so he could defuse the situation somehow. I think the kid, and I'm just speculating here, didn't understand his intentions and Nathan approached him and said the kid stood in his way BUT that was a pretty crowded area. I'm not saying the kid isn't being shitty but I don't think he's quite as shitty as I first thought. I honestly don't think he was trying to disrespect him as much as he did seeing as how he's just standing there with a stupid arrogant smirk on his face. The boys doing tomahawk chants were jerks and that was racist.

This is literally a video that should be played in sociology classes as a textbook example of race relations in the US.

jangbones - 2019-01-20

I found a good picture of some wacky smart allecks from history;

http://southernstudies.olemiss.edu/projects/counter-histories/ _/images/jackson-woolworths.jpg

15th - 2019-01-20

Lately, national outrage fodder has been involving 17-21 year old absolute nobodies. That's kind of encouraging, really.

I think we're about six months out from a Vox article about Brad's leaked texts detailing how he only went to prom with Sally as a gag. (Shes a fat pig)

15th - 2019-01-20

Also, really funny tags. Looking like a smug prick is a hate crime. We've come so far.

Cena_mark - 2019-01-21

The right wing media is defending these shitbags

casualcollapse - 2019-01-22

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768?s=09 this guy was harassing other people as well, not an isolated incident

Mister Yuck - 2019-01-22

And everybody learnt a lesson about jumping to conclusions and never made that mistake again. The end.

Herr Matthias - 2019-01-23

I wonder what it says about race-related activism in our country when the big story isn't the white supremacist that just got convicted of killing a random black man in order to start a race war. It's whether or not we can project enough latent racism onto the facial expressions of some random suburban Cincinnati kid.

But wait! Maybe if I saw some out-of-context photos of his high school's basketball games posted by sources with an obvious agenda, that would sure clear things up here!

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