Will they give you some preparation H for the severe butthurt?

SolRo why are you such a toxic cunt?

because you wont suck my balls

SolRo is a spiteful, mean-spirited hypocrite and an unrepentant antisemite. I'll still take his side against any Trump supporter.

Why? Because to the best of my knowledge SolRo has never put any children in cages. He has never cut funding to the WHO. He has never betrayed America to pressure other countries to investigate his rivals. See how that works?

If you bitches can't turn me against a pissy little liar like SolRo, you sure the hell can't turn the Biden and Bernie camps against each other.

Thanks for supporting Biden, you retarded Palestinian genocide-supporting Zionist sockpuppet

See, even though SolRo is such a worthless piece of shit he thinks that "Zionist" comment was in any way funny or acceptable, we're still hand-in-hand when it comes to opposing outright fascists.

"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."

Why can't SolRo be civil like the Bernie conspiracy theorists who are bordering on QAnon at this point?

Which one of you is going to end up shooting up a pizza parlor because you thought Biden's child rape dungeon was in the basement?

Nominal isn’t as spiteful as SolRo, but makes up for it by being even dimmer. He’s smarter than any Trump trill.

Getting rid of Trump won't solve all our problems. But until we're rid of him America won't solve ANY of its problems.

Not to mention an effective campaign on Trump will help a lot with problems #2 and #3, the Senate and Republican governors.

Compared to that, SolRo's "toxicity" is wayyyyyyy down the list, because he doesn't actually DO anything. He's just snide.

You know, I literally posted elsewhere that I voted that down because "Fuck you Pillager!" I'm not proud of that now, especially, since Pillager voted this up immediately after I posted it, within five minutes, at the most.

So Pillager is the bigger man than me. This may not be a high bar to clear between now and November.

>>>He really can't afford to alienate ANY potential swing voters, can he?

Sure he can. Biden is rich, old, male, white and connected. He'll be fine either way.

Can we afford to alienate voters using republican propaganda dredged up from the previous 30 years as if Biden is campaigning on it?

Do you think trump cares more about your concerns?

Only if Pillager's concern is that too many doctors and nurses are still at risk of getting protective equipment.

Personally I would have gone with Beto if I was in charge of the DNC. Forget 2016. The lesson to be learned was in 2008 when it became obvious that charismatic speaking is more important than experience and long time connections.

If it wasn't already obvious enough that the presidency has always gone to the more charismatic speaker since the advent of television.

Hail yourself.

hail me, hail me, hail me

i'm a liberaaal

Yeah, I can't imagine any news less shocking than this. We've all known Sanders would endorse the DNC nominee since, well, 2016.

Because, you know, he's not an idiot.

"Bernie's sold out and betrayed us!"

...by doing the thing he said he'd do from the start of the campaign? Endorse the eventual nominee because beating Trump is more important than pointless symbolism?

Everybody knew he'd endorse, nobody thought he'd do it without extracting any concessions, after another basically fake primary, in a video where he looks like a hostage, while Creepy Joe reads a teleprompter poorly.

Funny how the braindead wing of the Republican party conflates “predictable” with “fake”. “We all totally expected the sun to rise this morning; heliocentrism must be a fake!”

Weaksauce.

No the fake part was when all the candidates dropped out and endorsed the sundowning old sex pest simultaneously, including the guy that tied Iowa and was leading Biden in polling, funds, etc

Bernie hasn’t made a lot of friends during his career.

Biden has a lot of well connected friends

It’s an easy political calculation.


Also Biden got his endorsements after winning South Carolina and Super Tuesday, not during some cabal meeting while he was losing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/us/politics/joe-biden-2020-pres idential-campaign.html


You’re an idiot

You might want to check your timeline there, buddy. The drop-outs occurred before Super Tuesday, because Biden wouldn't have done well without them.

The winner (tie-er) of Iowa has never dropped out this early. Centrist news sources are already reporting that Obama was heavily involved. Andrew Yang straight-up admitted that he was offered a cabinet spot to drop out.

It took *unprecedented* moves by the establishment to stop Bernie. Flatlining the enthusiasm of 1/3rd of the party is going to be why you lose in November. I'll be here to say 'I told you so'

I would admire the uncharacteristic discipline and real politik skills of the democratic establishment if they hadn't used it to prop up the weakest possible candidate in the most important election.

The DNC seems more interested in defeating the policies supported by a majority of their base and a plurality of all voters than with defeating Trump. Or, you know, fixing the multiple existential crises that America faces.

This feels like the lead up to the Iraq War or Clinton's 2016 campaign. Like, it will be very clear in hindsight that it was a disaster but everyone is real convinced that up is down at the time. It's surreal to have people get angry when you point out the very obvious facts that Biden stands for nothing, no one is enthusiastic about him, he is scandal-ridden, has the worst possible record, and is literally not mentally fit for the job. Trump will absolutely fucking maul him.

I mean, he's running *against* universal health care in the middle of a pandemic where millions of people are losing their jobs and employer based insurance. It's a fucking joke.

SolRo, why are you committed to being a fucking idiot yourself? Why use it as an invective against others when you're the living embodiment of it?

Even Bernie himself is saying we should not oppose Biden and do everything we can to make sure Trump is removed from office.

Why are you 3 idiots so blind to this?

I'm having a hard time grasping your conspiracy theory addled stupidity.

The only people I'm seeing going full retard Biden opposition are republicans or spoiled leftist snowflakes.

Not to mention Republicans cosplaying as spoiled leftist snowflakes

>>>The DNC seems more interested in defeating the policies supported by a majority of their base


THAT'S WHAT THE FUCKING PRIMARY WAS ABOUT, WHINESTEIN!

>>>...It took *unprecedented* moves by the establishment to stop Bernie. Flatlining the enthusiasm of 1/3rd of the party is going to be why you lose in November. I'll be here to say 'I told you so'

It'll be a lot more effective if you shut the fuck up right now.

1/3 of the party isn't a majority of the party. Do you need someone to explain fractions?

And there is no logical argument whereby "Biden loses, ergo Sanders wins."

>>>You might want to check your timeline there, buddy. The drop-outs occurred before Super Tuesday, because Biden wouldn't have done well without them.

>>>The winner (tie-er) of Iowa has never dropped out this early. Centrist news sources are already reporting that Obama was heavily involved. Andrew Yang straight-up admitted that he was offered a cabinet spot to drop out.

>>>It took *unprecedented* moves by the establishment to stop Bernie.

You're trying to make politics sound like corruption. It's weak. Super duper weak.

All that matters is that in head to head races in the Democratic primary, Biden beat Bernie, usually getting double Bernie's votes. Democracy happened, our guy lost. It sucks.

Now, we can play this two ways: one, we take our toys and go home. Don't turn out in the general election! Teach those Democrats a lesson! Lemme tell you how that works out: a bunch of Democrats lose in the fall. The survivors are all the people in the party that can win without support from the left. They continue to ignore the left. Non-Leftist voters see their country continue to go to shit and resent the Lefties that stayed home. They punish Left candidates for as long as that resentment lasts, possibly for a generation. My parents still talk about McGovern.

Two: We turn out in the fall, elect the best candidates available, and then turn out in the 2022 primaries to put more lefties on the ballot. Candidates who won only with the support of Leftie voters will be inclined to take their issues seriously to keep their jobs. Centrists will have to worry about their Left flank in primary season and may at least tone down their neo-liberal bullshit. That's carrot and stick for the Democratic Party to give a flying fuck about left policies.

One more thing: we've just had two primaries proving that the number of people willing to turn out and support Socialists in an election is about 30% of the Democratic Party. A significant number, sure, but not enough to win elections. In order to advance socialist policies, we're going to need to work in coalition with the rest of the Democratic Party. There is not enough support for us to try to go it alone. So it's time to start making friends.

SolRo - 2020-04-14
Bernie hasn’t made a lot of friends during his career.
Biden has a lot of well connected friends
It’s an easy political calculation.

This has got to be one of the stupidest takes I keep hearing from Biden Bros. One example: Jim Clyburn is one of the top recipients of money from the health care and insurance industry. Do you really think he endorsed the guy opposed to single payer (which would drastically reduce the profits of the companies giving him millions of dollars) because Biden was just a chummy pal and Bernie is a grouchy gus who isn't fun at parties? Like, are you retarded?

https://www.postandcourier.com/health/clyburn-has-taken-more-t han-1-million-in-pharma-money-in-a-decade-far-surpassing/article_6 2b10180-d956-11e8-9122-4f50316f66fa.html

Bernie actually cares about the country, something you won't find in either nominee. Class act and self sacrificing.

^

Change comes at the state level anyhow.

"Biden is the same as Trump."

-Some gun nut idiot

Who exactly are you talking about, Nominal? I don't hold anything close to that opinion any more than i own a gun.

I'm not thrilled about Biden, but it's nonsense that he's the weakest possible candidate. He was the most experienced and successful politician in the field, and politics is a skill set. It's not everything, but it's not nothing.

You left the part out of your narrative where Obama convinces all the candidates to drop out simultaneously and endorse Biden (somebody with no ground game in multiple states) including Mayo Pete who was leading him in polls, funds, and had tied for first in Iowa. *That's* the establishment we're talking about.

I agree with you about the comparison to 2010 however. 2006 to 2010 was the last time I watched the Democratic Party kneecap a motivated, enthusiastic, youth based movement within the party in order to benefit the wealthy. We've been trying to recover ever since.

Biden is an incredibly weak candidate, weaker than Clinton even. He's physically weak, he's mentally weak, he's unable to stay coherent under pressure. He has a closet full of skeletons and a 40-year history of always being on the wrong side of history, aggressively. He gets visibly angry when confronted, and he's competing against the King of the Trolls.
You couldn't make a weaker candidate for 2020 if you tried.

Fun fact: repeating your weaksauce conspiracy theory over and over doesn’t make it any more true. It just highlights how laughable it is.

All the dropouts were after dismal results in separate primaries, not all at once ‘because Obama’

You have no idea what has happened or is currently happening.

>>The democratic establishment is people like me who have been voting in every election since Jimmy Carter.

You convinced Kloubuchar and Buttigieg to drop out and endorse Biden right before super tuesday? I've underestimated you, John!

The fact there there are people with positions of power in the Democratic party and adjacent organizations (e.g., Barrack Hussein Obama, William and Hillary Clinton), that they have policy preferences, and that they have means of influencing the primary process in ways that ordinary voters don't is hardly controversial. Your level of frantic denial of basic facts is really something.

>>I'm not thrilled about Biden, but it's nonsense that he's the weakest possible candidate. He was the most experienced and successful politician in the field, and politics is a skill set. It's not everything, but it's not nothing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thanks, I needed that.

The point of politics is not selecting the most "competent" candidate. That's a weird liberal myth that needs to die. Politics is about ends, not means. The right figured this out a long time ago. The "most qualified candidate in history" lost to a reality show host with a spray tan, but the cult of the liberal meritocracy will still throw their bodies into the fire of consistent electoral defeat to support the most "qualified" technocrat.

And, anyhow, Biden hasn't won a contested election since 1972. He dropped out after a plagiarism scandal in 1988 and didn't crack double digits in 2008. He's just a guy who got a safe senate seat and then stayed there while occasionally getting creamed in presidential primaries. He has massive liabilities (that I'm tired of listing) that would have disqualified him from serious contention if there had been literally anyone else who could have stopped Bernie Sanders.

Hazelnut - 2020-04-15
Fun fact: repeating your weaksauce conspiracy theory over and over doesn’t make it any more true. It just highlights how laughable it is.

SolRo - 2020-04-15
All the dropouts were after dismal results in separate primaries, not all at once ‘because Obama’

You have no idea what has happened or is currently happening.


Are you both seriously denying the fact that Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropped out shortly before super tuesday and endorsed Biden, despite their strong showing in early sates? Like, it's only been a little over a month. What level of media cycle memoryhole are you on?

A QSandon conspiracy theorist is listing "gets visibly angry" as a negative for a candidate?

"Angrily pounds fists on podium" is what you've admired most about a candidate. Now that Bernie is out, no wonder you're supporting Trump over Biden.

The fuck does a strong showing in a pair of tiny super white and old early states mean?

They bombed everywhere else, their fundraising was tanking, their polling was abysmal.

They were moderate candidates and didn’t see any way they could beat Biden.


Stop being a dumbass conspiracy theorist.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thanks, I needed that.

Are you drunk?

>>>The point of politics is not selecting the most "competent" candidate. That's a weird liberal myth that needs to die. Politics is about ends, not means. The right figured this out a long time ago. The "most qualified candidate in history" lost to a reality show host with a spray tan, but the cult of the liberal meritocracy will still throw their bodies into the fire of consistent electoral defeat to support the most "qualified" technocrat.

Can you read?

Never mind. Don'rt care.

And I overestimated you.

the stimulus checks that represent more material benefit to my family than anything a Democratic POTUS has done in my lifetime? those stimulus checks? I'd recommend that the Democrats try not to mention those during the election, unless they are offering more.

The Democratic house made the law for the stimulus checks. Only thing trump did is not veto it.

You’re a dumb republican shill.

Hear hear, JHM! Don’t let the jackasses under you’re skin. You’re by far the most thoughtful, balanced, reasonable voice on this damn site, and the best listener too. That last trait may leave you a little more vulnerable to people who knowingly argue in bad faith, but I have to believe makes you more resilient over the long run.

I discovered myself in Jan / Feb how surprisingly painful it can be when you open yourself up to engaging with people as adults and they opt to be babies. I got dragged into a degrading ever more pointless dance. A six week break did me wonders; you might find a week or two just the refresher you need.

That's very kind of you. Everyone's just emotional.

If Trump is reelected, I'll deal with it when it happens. To contempate it now is deeply painful, and I think some people want to make feel their pain. They want to lash out. That's understandable. That's forgivable. But I got too much shit going on to be anybody's whipping boy, even part time.

>>>It's easy to speak for THE SILENT MAJORITY, and it's easy to get it wrong, but you're insane if you don't think that there are masses of Americans out there who do not post on the internet about politics are desperate for a return to normalcy.It's easy to speak for THE SILENT MAJORITY, and it's easy to get it wrong, but you're insane if you don't think that there are masses of Americans out there who do not post on the internet about politics are desperate for a return to normalcy.

I think this absolutely true, but this isn't how I feel, and believe me, I know full well, there's no going back.

It doesn't matter who it is. If we get a Democratic President, and a Democratic Congress, we'll get a New Deal. It's just going to be necessary after four years of Trump breaking things for fun. I think Biden will have an easier time selling it to America than Sanders would.

Also, I blame Clinton for failing to make an alliance with Sanders after her nomination in 2016. It was her campaign, so it's her responsibility. Hope Biden learns from her mistake.

You’re one of the good ones, JHM!

I think most of the Clinton campaign’s mistakes came down to they didn’t believe the American voter could really be fooled by Trump, so they assumed an easy win. No one assumes that now.

JOE: "I never washed my finger after penetrating any woman's vagina."

FBI: "Uhh, we were only going to ask a few qu--"

JOE: "Go ahead. Take samples from under my fingernails. You'll find a lot of women under there. But NOT her, I assure you."

FBI: "Sir, we just--"

JOE: "Go on! Smell my finger, goddamn you! Is this the vagina of Miss Reade? Go on, I said!!"

FBI: "We'll speak again when you're on your meds, sir."

Pillager: No! I tell you no! I won't have you bringing some young girl in for supper! By candlelight, I suppose, in the cheap, erotic fashion of young men with cheap, erotic minds!

Pillager: Mother, please...!

Pillager: And then what? After supper? Music? Whispers?

Pillager: Mother, she's just a stranger. She's hungry, and it's raining out!

Pillager: "Mother, she's just a stranger"! As if men don't desire strangers! As if... ohh, I refuse to speak of disgusting things, because they disgust me! You understand, boy? Go on, go tell her she'll not be appeasing her ugly appetite with my food... or my son! Or do I have to tell her because you don't have the guts! Huh, boy? You have the guts, boy?

Pillager: SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

>It doesn't matter who it is. If we get a Democratic President, and a Democratic Congress, we'll get a New Deal. It's just going to be necessary after four years of Trump breaking things for fun. I think Biden will have an easier time selling it to America than Sanders would.

Biden and the Democratic leadership will fight tooth and nail against anything resembling a "New Deal." He's literally running against single payer health care. He's adopted the slogan "green new deal" while proposing 10% of the funding for it that AOC and others who invented the idea think is necessary.

Dealing with climate change requires *at minimum* fossil fuel companies writing off TRILLIONS of dollars of proven reserves that need to stay in the ground. Do you really think a guy who pushed the bankruptcy bill on behalf of MBNA is going to bankrupt Exxon? The same situation obtains in healthcare. You can't fix it without literally destroying several of the largest corporations in America. The same with the financial sector. The same with agriculture. The same with the military-industrial complex. Do you really think that the same democrats who take massive amounts of money from these companies are going to push to put them out of business?

Listen, John. I like you. I'm sorry if I've been mean to you.

But if you think we should do what is necessary to mitigate the worst effects of climate change, or you want people to stop people dying preventably for lack of health care, or you want working people to be able to live lives that aren't constant struggles to make ends meet, the election is already over. You lost. We lost.

"It's hopeless. Don't vote"
- every right wing troll for the next 6 months

Hazel, that's not what the right-wing trolls are saying. They are fired up and excited to vote for the guy that delivered to them exactly the racist, destructive policy that they elected him for. They can't wait to mobilize for Trump. They are chomping at the bit.

It’s what right wing trolls like you are saying to liberals, smart guy.

Meanwhile Crackerjack’s fellow Republican trolls have organised a pro-coronavirus march in Michigan, ‘Operation Gridlock’. Just for context.

"Sir, I'm not sure we should be charging the enemy with pool noodles. Wouldn't bayonets be more effective?"

"Listen, private, that sounds like enemy propaganda. Do you love the enemy? Is that it? Well, they want to shoot you. Do you want to get shot? No? Then prepare your noodles for combat, soldier."

*carnage, defeat*

"Oh lord, so many boys that will never see their sweethearts again! The horror! If only those few soldiers hadn't ruined our morale by doubting the combat effectiveness of pool noodles this tragedy could have been avoided!"

"listen I don't like the pool noodles either, but we have to go to war with these pool noodles and once you are on the battlefield you can push them to be something better"

It's not about bayonets, and it's not about pool noodles, and it's not even about a battle. It's politics. You get to contribute to it, but you don't get to control it. No one gets to control it. I've read accounts that I consider credible that Trump never wanted to become President. Trump does not control this, either.


>>>But if you think we should do what is necessary to mitigate the worst effects of climate change, or you want people to stop people dying preventably for lack of health care, or you want working people to be able to live lives that aren't constant struggles to make ends meet, the election is already over. You lost. We lost.

I get that you believe that

No doubt you get that I do not believe that.

My question is: why the fuck do you need ME to believe that? What on earth do you hope to accomplish by convincing me?

The truth is that the actual future does not exist yet, and in all probability will not be what you imagine, or what I imagine, either. We'll know when we get there. That's the only reality that will ever be.

And I think you're missing the success that Bernie Sanders has had in changing the Democratic party.

And I think youi're missing that Biden could drop dead a year from now and leave someone else in the White House.

I'm sure that there's stuff that I'm missing too. We'll see how it turns out.

Worst case scenario: We all die.

Best case scenario: We all die.

Here's something we may be able to agree on. Or not.

The nomination of Biden represents a desire to go back to the way things were before Trump got his greasy hands all over everything.

But there's no going back. Whatever happens, there's no going back.

buddy we lost the courts already, remember when Obama left 150+ federal benches open for Trump? and how Schumer has been fast-tracking all those appointments for Trump for three years?

the courts are gone man, they are gone. we don't fix this without actual reform of the courts, and guess what? centrists won't do that either

You are so fucking stupid

"remember when Obama left 150+ federal benches open for Trump? and how Schumer has been fast-tracking all those appointments for Trump for three years?"

What I remember is that McConnell and the Republicans were refusing to approve nominees for years -- first via filibuster, then by controlling the Senate from Jan 2015 onward -- but under Trump, the Democrats haven't been able to block the nominees because the filibuster on appointments went away in late 2013. Receipts:

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18136294/trump-mitch-mconnell-r epublican-judges

Now I know you don't identify as a Republican, and you certainly don't think you are doing volunteer PR work for the Republicans. But take a look at yourself: you're blaming the Democrats and only the Democrats for a situation that is almost 100% the Republicans' doing. By what standard is that NOT shilling for the Republicans?

Whether or not you think you're volunteering for the Republicans, that is exactly what you're doing. Can you stop being part of the problem?

>>>>remember when Obama left 150+ federal benches open for Trump? and how Schumer has been fast-tracking all those appointments for Trump for three years?

Wow, this person is way dumber than i thought. This is about 5 I.Q. points above QAnon.

the end result is because of X, Y, and Z, Democrats had bigger majorities for longer than the Republicans have, but appointed only a fraction of the judges

you can put the blame anywhere you want, it doesn't matter. I'm telling you that we are being played like rubes by the establishment of both these parties, because what it boils down to is conveniently for the Democrats, the donors and the other people that pay six-figures sums for speeches from centrist politicians are getting exactly what they want, and it looks like a good cop/bad cop scheme from my perspective here on the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder

it's not my job to run interference for the Democrats, just because they are marginally better on some issues doesn't mean I have to deny reality and lie about them being useful to people outside the PMC and 1%, because they absolutely are not

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/30/17797770/chuck-schumer-trump-judicia l-nominees

You say it's not your job to run interference for the Democrats, but you DO seem to think it's your job to lie about them.

Like, let's take that article you cited. Now, I'm pleased that you actually did a little bit of Googling, but even then that article contradicts what you just said a little while ago. You said that Schumer spent three years fast-tracking Republican candidates. In reality, what you pointed to is the only instance of it happening. You good with having lied? A lie of "can't be assed to fact-check" is still a lie.

And even then, the article doesn't discuss WHY the fast-tracking happened: because the 2018 election was coming up, there were 26 Democratic seats in play (that was more than half of the Democrats in the Senate), and Schumer felt the priority was letting them go home and focus on protecting their seats. How did it work out? Well, the Democrats walked out of 2018 losing only two net seats. Considering the bloodbath that 2018 could have been -- keeping the Senate completely out of play for the Democrats for several election cycles -- Schumer made the smart call, even if it's not the one that feels good to his critics.

It's one thing to hold the Democrats to standards, and I'm all for that. But then there's taking it to stupid extremes, where you aren't satisfied until you find something to complain about, no matter how irrelevant, and no matter if you have to lie. That is the job you have chosen for yourself. That means you are working for the Republicans, for free.

I guess I should have put more effort into expressing how tedious I find the excuse-making for Democratic pols to be, nothing I said was a lie but if you contort yourself juuuust right you can maybe feel better about supporting a party that really is the exact same thing as the Republicans

like I said, after your excuses, the end result is that conveniently the Dem donors are pleased by this and conveniently the left has to just keep putting their reasonable demands on the backburner to vote for people like Joe Biden, how convenient

Dumber than a box of dirt. Do not engage.

John I have a bridge for sale, cheap, are you interested?

I know what you're selling, and I'm not buying.

We turn Biden loose in a multi level parking garage. How long does it take him to find his car? Weeks, months, longer?

What kind of car is it?

4 years later and these retards are working to re-elect trump to “teach us a lesson” yet again.

You really deserve a severe beating.