For ages I didn’t realise linguistics Chomsky and politics Chomsky were the same person! That’s crazy huge, it’s like if Al Gore really had invented the Internet.

to over simplify; If you were a baby alone in the world you'd probably come up with your own language, but since that's rare everyone is just copying each other.

Chomsky's work is also really big in computer science, which I always found a funny coincidence: he described his hierarchy of grammars in the 50's just in time for it to make a BIG impact in programming language design. A great man.

TL/DR He's pretty drunk.

>>>I have little sympathy for Bernie people surprised and hurt by Big Names saying you should vote for Biden as harm reduction.

So is the first electiion where you've seen "big names saying you should vote " for a particular candidate?

I think what's bugging you is not how people were told to vote. it's how they voted. And your problem now is how to be prio-Democracy, and against people voting. So you talk about candidartes who weren't going to win dropping out of the race a little earlier, a move that benefitted them politically, because that's politics. You act like that's some kind of sabatoge. None of that is the essential fact.

The essential fact is that the primary voters voted for Biden. And you just keep talking around that.

The Republican echo chamber is sounding weaker and more self-pitying every day.

>> So is the first electiion where you've seen "big names saying you should vote " for a particular candidate?

I'm not clear what you mean. I'm saying I'm not surprised that Bernie endorsed Biden or that Chomsky says you should vote democrat as harm reduction. Harm reduction is a good argument. If I thought my state was in play I'd vote for Biden.

>>And your problem now is how to be prio-Democracy, and against people voting.

That doesn't really affect the points I'm making.

People also voted for Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, and HR Clinton in the primaries.

People also elected Obama, who promised transformational change after we finally got rid of The Worst President Ever. He didn't deliver, things got worse for average people, and then Trump was elected. Biden would be like that, but with less charisma.

>>Hazelnut
Do you have anything other than tribalism and invective to contribute? Do you wanna take another break, bud?

Also the cat is a nice boy and I'm offended you didn't mention him in your replies.

Yeah, I may have misunderstood, never mind.

Do I have anything other than opposing Trump to offer? Sure! And I look forward to offering it after Trump is defeated.

In the meantime your Republican cosplaying as an oh-so-concerned Bernie Bro is weak and boring, and I’m comfortable pointing that out. I’m sure you’ll put it aside after the election too.

Thanks for contributing to the decimation of small wildlife to gratify your loneliness ashtar.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/29/cats-wil d-birds-mammals-study/1873871/

and now it has been mention in replies.

I should add, Ashtar hasn’t contributed a damn thing to the site, just tired spam. Up above we’re talking about linguistics, a much more interesting subject.

I'm teaching myself to pick locks. I already know how to weld too.

That’s the most interesting thing you’ve posted to date! Good on you. I’m learning the guitar.

Ashtar and other dips keep doing this thing.

They keep saying "BIDEN IS GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT"

The fact is, the most horrible version of a biden presidency is going to be a day at the fucking beach compared to the best day of a trump presidency.

Any chance you'll actually address this niggling little detail ashtar, or are you just going to stick to the alt reich playbook and Never Play Defensive?

>>The fact is, the most horrible version of a biden presidency is going to be a day at the fucking beach compared to the best day of a trump presidency.

Any chance you'll actually address this niggling little detail ashtar, or are you just going to stick to the alt reich playbook and Never Play Defensive?

I pretty clearly addressed it above? I'm kind of tired of repeating myself, but sure, vote harm reduction if you're in a swing state. I'm sure the deportation detention camps will be much nicer places under Biden. He might preserve abortion access and he won't gut environmental regulations. Great.

What then? What does Biden actually want to do to deliver material improvements in people's lives and keep right wing populism in check? Means tested tax credits and progressive culture war rhetoric while continuing to redistribute wealth upwards? Do you really think running against something while offering zero positive vision is either a viable campaign strategy (HRC made the election a referendum on Trump and lost) or a governance strategy?

I hope calling me a nazi or a republican or whatever makes you feel better because you can't emotionally deal with criticism, but it's not going to change the fact that repeating the same dipshittery that has failed consistently and resulted with the nation on the verge of fascism, but this time without a likable or even mentally competent figurehead is a dumb fucking idea. If your entire moral and political worldview is nothing more than THE OTHER SIDE IS BAD, you're dumber and more vicious than most of the Trump supporters I know.

Like, someone stabbing you is better than someone stabbing you while yelling racial slurs. But responding to someone pointing out that stabbing is still bad and maybe we should have a plan to stop the stabbing with "WELL I GUESS YOU LOVE RACIAL SLURS YOU RACIST" is kind of unhelpful.

“Trump is only very slightly worse than Biden”

-idiots

>>I should add, Ashtar hasn’t contributed a damn thing to the site, just tired spam. Up above we’re talking about linguistics, a much more interesting subject.

I contributed http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=91495

If you want to make the case that Biden would be a great president, make it. Many of his major policy achievements as a senator have been things that made the country considerably worse.

The fact that the only reason to elect him I have ever heard from anyone is that he's not the other guy seems like maybe a major weakness in someone running to be president? Like maybe that won't convince anyone who hasn't already decided to vote against the other guy?

Your choice is between Biden or Trump now. There is no other choice anymore.

Get that through your stupid skull.

You’re indirectly, and increasingly directly, advocating for Trump.

"I stand for nothing except my team good other team bad. I have no principles. I am unable to even tolerate the notion that my team might not be 100% good. I will flip out, call names, and make up conspiracy bullshit to explain away any disagreement."

-Trump supporters and all of you assholes, apparently

Point out to me where we’ve been saying Biden is 100 perfect you blind troglodyte.

ashtar has contributed lots of cool stuff to this site. Don't really care about any of this political shit, just read these comments to get a laugh in at you fucking retards.









Also Noam Chomsky is pretty neat.

The funny thing about this argument is people thinking we're going to have elections anymore.

Literally a choice between some form of leftist (maybe even a centrist) versus a right-wing fundamental-religious oligarch.

What's so hard for you to grasp about this EASY choice?

I get it that a neoliberal for you isn't a good choice, but you don't get to write in Che Guevara during the presidential election as if it DOES anything.

No one will care.

No one in power will actually see that you wrote in Che.

At best, BEST, maybe some old conservative poll worker will think you're an idiot for half a second and move on to reading the other ballots.

what solro said

>>>Back in 2012 Noam said we had to vote for Obama because Romney would start a nuclear war. This is nothing new. Ancient, rich white dude is gonna have ancient, rich white dude politics sometimes.

In 2012, Barack Obama was a 51 year old black dude. Are you smelling what you're shoveling right now? Because I'm smelling it from here.

The easiest way for mediocre people to feel like they are better than all those "sheeple" out there is to take a contrarian stance, the less connected to actual human experience the better.

Dear mediocre people: we aren't fooled. Try working on yourselves for once, rather than taking the lazy stupid way out. Actually be worthy of self-esteem for once.

Just for the record; the hyperbole makes it real easy to dismiss your point. Trump isn't nearly as bad as Bush was.

You're asking me to vote for somebody that politically is equivalent to Trump in every way that is going to personally effect my life, while also telling me that the sky is falling because Trump is the president. It's nuts. It makes you all sound completely batshit.

"is equivalent to Trump in every way that is going to personally effect my life"

If that's all that interests you, then you are a garbage person.

And no, that's not hyperbole. You are thinking exactly like every Republican asshole, and a good number of ordinary Germans during the 30s.

And for fuck's sake, the word is "affect". If you're going to be a garbage person, at least don't be an illiterate one.

You are crying wolf.

You’ve definitively proven you’re a complete fucking moron completely unaware of reality.

Trump is much worse than bush

Trump is much worse than Biden


You’re a sheltered rich white snowflake if you think otherwise.

About a million dead Iraqis and Afghans would probably disagree with that Sol, but I guess their opinion of Bush shouldn't matter since we've decided that the racist gameshow host being rude is a much bigger offense.

Biden is a a parallel move from Trump, at best. Has he even promised to be more humane to immigrants? His former boss wasn't. What do we get out of a Biden administration besides significantly worse trade policy compared to Trump?

And the republican shill just outed itself.

wait, I thought I was a Russian

"You're asking me to vote for somebody that politically is equivalent to Trump in every way that is going to personally effect my life, while also telling me that the sky is falling because Trump is the president. It's nuts. It makes you all sound completely batshit."

democracy is not a menu. you're not going to get exactly what you want all the time. the universe does not cater to you and your needs alone. grow the fuck up

Neoliberal austerity is actually more harmful to my family and I than whatever dumb shit Trump is doing right now. Eat a turd.

your pearl-clutching amuses me to no end

fuck you and fuck your family if you're willing to throw everyone else under the bus to save them and only them. seriously

you can be a martyr if you want, I won't though, good luck with this strategy

you're the martyr claiming the neoliberals are about to tack your precious family to the cross, dipshit

what kind of walter mitty red dawn daydreams have you been huffing the past few years? fuck's sake

hey you go ahead and vote for the guy that has spent decades trying to cut away at the already threadbare safety net, and if it makes you feel better you can imagine I'm a Republican, a Russian agent, an apocalypse fetishist, or w/e

All you are is a self-absorbed white racist, only concerned about his own wellbeing, who will take a steaming shit on anyone you think a lesser if it will get your family a 5% increase in wealth.

You're just as bad as your neoliberal boogiemen, the only difference is the techniques you want used.


You're a stupid, shitty human being, and I hope many terrible things happen to you because of your greed.

i mean, you're pretty clearly shit-stirring out of boredom or entirely disingenuous in your arguments

either way, i'd prefer you take a long drive to the bottom of a deep lake

Joe Biden is the architect of our mass incarceration system, and somebody that has been jokingly referred to as "the senator from Citibank" for decades for his tireless representation of the interests of credit cards companies.

Trump is a literal corrupt fascist.

Trump is much worse than Biden

Trump is filling the government with leaders far worse than Biden


You do not know what is going on.

You are Chicken Little, crying that the sky is falling. You don't know what fascism is. Trump being worse than Biden is only a matter of perspective. Both are totally abhorrent.

You’re a sheltered idiot.

https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html

Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York who is widely considered the father of fascism studies, defined fascism as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda."

The one word that may not fit here is "expansionist".

>>>Trump being worse than Biden is only a matter of perspective.

When viewed from outer spacem, they're about the same.

To be fair, from a neo Nazi perspective, trump is a much better president than Biden

If you really think this is approaching fascism, then you should be incensed that the Democrats have bungled the primary and the nomination the way that they have. You should join Berners in calling for mea culpas, resignations, and reform. If your sincere.

But this isn't fascism, it's regular old (racist, destructive, regressive) mainstream Republican bullshit. And you all are shitting your pants over it and acting like there's no choice but to vote for the guy whose singular career goal has been cutting Social Security.

Here's a fun challenge: name me one piece of legislation passed in the last 50 years that caused more unnecessary human suffering than the racist 1994 crime bill, *written* by Joe Biden?

*you're

All genuine Berners are calling for Biden to win the election. Starting with Bernie.

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Crackersmack is pretty correct about what happened in the 90s. He is spectacularly uninformed about what's going on right now.

if "all genuine Berners" are voting for the brain-dead rapist (not that one, the other one) then why are you people so shook up about those of us that are abstaining?

Because the thought of Trump being re-elected is something that I literally fear more than my own death.

(Though it's getting easier to ignore you with each fresh troll)

I don't understand how you bernbitches think 'the democrats' made Bernie lose the primary.

Bernie lost.

You aren't as popular as your mother tells you are.

Life sucks like that sometimes.

Grow the fuck up.

>>(Though it's getting easier to ignore you with each fresh troll)

lol apparently not

I still like you, JHM, you weird goober.

Crackersmack: Dumber than a box of dirt.

John Holmes Motherfucker: Smarter than dirt, but not at exactly a genius at using the "Reply" button.