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simon666 - 2020-11-01

On the one hand you're right that White Fragility is not going to reform *this* cop's behavior. On the other hand, I think you miss that *this* cop is not (likely) the intended audience of that book insofar as receptiveness to messaging determines audience.

I'm generally in agreement that much of the academic/intellectual left's messaging is wacka in that it often is not going to be rhetorically persuasive to those whose minds need changing (according to the left). But that doesn't mean the general point being made is false.

Old_Zircon - 2020-11-01

Just have to point out that White Fragility isn't left, it's corporate-inclusivity-training* trash that doesn't address or solve actual problems but gives upper middle class liberals plenty of self-flagellation material without actually having to confront real systemic problems.

*DiAngelo has worked for 20 years in providing diversity training for businesses.[15][16][17] She argues that racism is embedded throughout America's political systems and culture.[2] In a 2019 article for The New Yorker, the columnist Kelefa Sanneh characterized DiAngelo as "perhaps the country's most visible expert in anti-bias training, a practice that is also an industry, and from all appearances a prospering one".[18]

Old_Zircon - 2020-11-01

And I'm not saying that from a class reductionist perspective, just to be clear.

simon666 - 2020-11-01

I haven't read White Fragility and don't really know much about it or its author other than a very cursory bit of info.

With that said, I think I can grant that maybe DiAngelo isn't Left and by extension White Fragility isn't Left, while still maintaining that at least a portion of the White Fragility thesis (or at least a generalization of the thesis) has been adopted by the Left broadly construed.

jfcaron_ca - 2020-11-01

The original essay is worth a read, but I'd pass on the expanded book version which kinda looks like a cash-grab. The essay was good, if you haven't had these concepts elaborated for you before.

ashtar. - 2020-11-01

There's certainly things that about race that don't reduce to class. And anti-bias training (etc) is useful to some degree. But when the black / white wealth gap is a factor of 10 and this hasn't changed sine 1968, anti-bias training is pissing in the wind.

Hazelnut - 2020-11-02

Odd excuse Ashtar keeps making: “this action won’t solve everything completely, therefore don’t even bother.” But that’s bullshit. A huge amount of human progress happens incrementally, step by step.

If this were the 60s, Ashtar would be attacking MLK as a corporate tool because he hasn’t even smashed the state.

SolRo - 2020-11-01

Reform this through constant automatic video and audio monitoring of all law enforcement workers. Independent 3rd party audits yearly. National database of police violence reports. National database of “bad apples” to keep them from working as law enforcement again.

And that’s the first step.

Gmork - 2020-11-03

They'd have to get rid of the police unions. It's too far entrenched.

Nominal - 2020-11-01

How? By not voting to "send a message"!


Hazelnut - 2020-11-02

Must be a fun world view, lets him do absolutely nothing and criticise everyone else’s effort ad not solving everything overnight.

The Mothership - 2020-11-02

That was a practiced move.

Spike Jonez - 2020-11-02

Fire all the cops, hire new ones. It's been known to work.

roscar - 2020-11-02

I mean, the reason you're seeing this video is that he's currently on trial for assault. It seems a bit disingenuous to present this as if he is suffering no consequences.

Gmork - 2020-11-03

It's not odd to assume the default but thanks for the heads up

Enjoy - 2020-11-03

Best and only reform is to quit destroying the black family unit. The statistics of fatherless black kids and what that leas to is horrific.

ashtar. - 2020-11-03

Principal Skinner: Superintendent, I hope you're ready for mouth-watering black people are bad fathers.
Superintendent Chalmers: I thought we were having black people are lazy.
Principal Skinner: Oh, no, I said, "black people are bad fathers." That's what I call black people are lazy.
Superintendent Chalmers: You call "black people are lazy" "black people are bad fathers."
Principal Skinner: Yes, it's a regional dialect.
Superintendent Chalmers: Uh-huh. What region?
Principal Skinner: Uh, upstate New York.
Superintendent Chalmers: Really. Well, I'm from Utica and I never heard anyone use the phrase, "black people are bad fathers."
Principal Skinner: Oh, not in Utica, no; it's an Albany expression.
Superintendent Chalmers: I see.

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