Did you know I had the titular line in Batman Begins?

Interstellar was the epitome of all that shit. Holy fuck what a parade of constant nonsensical contrivances to get to the EMOTIONAL MUSIC scenes.

What are some of these massive plot holes? Nolan's Batman movies have always worked for me, so I'm curious.

And picking apart Rises is cheating. That story was an absolute mess, even to big fat dum-dum heads like me.

My critique of Nolan had always been that his stories are more like elaborate puzzles than satisfying dramas. Watching his movies sometimes feels like admiring a massive and complex train set: I can appreciate how all the details click together in a satisfying way, but it doesn't exactly evoke any emotion. This was epitomized in The Prestige, a film in which major character moments are flattened by quick, propulsive editing because there are just so many plot points to hit in order to make the ending work. A story about obsession and jealousy becomes weirdly robotic. This is also why I rate Dunkirk as one of Nolan's best: the plot is so barebones that the movie allows itself to spend time just feeling what it's like to be shot at or drowned, without aching to jump to the next plot point in order to service an abstract theme. Dunkirk is the closest Nolan will ever come to having fun.

@Two Jar Slave so I dont remember much, I have seen them all once. Just google film name + plot holes and I'm sure u will probably see enormous holes everywhere in the main plots,

begins - I barely remember anything about this, since nothing sticks out maybe in terms of Nolan-dementia-syndrome it was ok.
dark knight - I mainly remember a lot of ridiculous coincidences, not just one or two thats u expect in movies, just insane coincidences happening one after another. Stuff like, the good guys 'clever plan' is to predict *exactly* what will happen in the future over the course of an extremely complex series of events involving several parties who are at odds with one another. The jokers clever plan is to further predict that they would predict this and plan accordingly.. being *omniscient* is not a clever plan
rises - we agree it didnt make a lick of sense.

The bigger problem for me with nolan is the *constant* editing issues, like during action characters seems to be teleporting around and moving back and forward through time. When you combine that background level insanity with the big plot dementia it just makes my brain wanna use the launch escape system from my head.

The trick to enjoying Nolan's Batman Trilogy is to skip parts one and three, and watch part 2 three times.

camp batman is the only good batman

I rewatched Forever last year and liked its take a lot. You don't have to choose between camp Batman and noire Batman, as long as they're both good movies. Batman & Robin was genuinely bad, though, and suffered from the same overstuffed plot and villain overload that would ruin the likes of Spiderman 3 and The Dark Knight Rises.

Pattinson could've done a campy Bruce Wayne/Batman for sure

Have you checked out the DC Animated Universe(s)?
Here's some fun Batman animated films, and also one series. These are all available on The DC Universe page in HBO Max.

In my opinion, these are all fun, in different ways.

1. Batman: Assault at Arkham.
This is actually Batman meets the Suicide Squad. Notable for lots of great In-Jokes. Killer Frost tries to lift Mr. Freeze's Ray Gun, and she can't lift it, because it's so heavy. That's a reference to Schwarzenegger. Lot of sly stuff like that.

Batman walks into Amanda Waller's office without knocking. Waller looks up and says "Oh, it's just you."

2. Batman and Harley Quinn: a lot of people don't like this, maybe because it's kind of low action and not a lot of tension. Harley ties up Nightwing and (apparently) fucks him, so who doesn't like THAT? Batman, Harley and Nightwing have to save humanity from Poison Ivy and some other plant-based supervillain, but mostly it's about Harley stinking up the Batmobile with Spicy Wing farts, and singing Kareoke at a Henchman bar. Harley (Melissa Rauch) covers Blondie.

3. Return of the Caped Crusaders, a 2016 movie with Adam West, Burt Ward, and Julie Newmar reprising their roles from the classic TV Series, with other voice actors filling in for Cesar Romero, Burgess Meredith, and Frank Gorshin, who for some reason were unavailable. WHAT'S THIS? NO ONE TO RECREATE THE WILLIAM DOZIER VOICE OVER? Its the only fault I can find with this.

4. Harley Quinn: The animated series. This is what got me really back into DC after NEARLY FIFTY YEARS. it's hilarious, and the more you know about the DC Universe(s) the better it gets.

You and me both, brother. Whether camp or serious, I love me some Batman. (Yes, there are definitely fascist overtones to the character. I'm OK with that.)

I'll definitely check it out and I hope it's great. But so far, something seems off about this one. It looks... I dunno, maybe cheap is the word I'm looking for.

I first got this take on Batman when I took a course in 1990 from Ken Jacobs, who is 88 and still making films. One day he showed us a tube of "DARKIE" toothpaste, which in 1990, you still buy in New York's Chinatown. The Minstrel show figure on the box was practically a negative image of Nicholson's Joker. And we can all figure out what the negative of a man in a black hood looks like, right? A man in a white hood! May not mean anything, sure is spooky!

Ba-Riddler-ista

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Feels like this is more Snyder Batman than Nolan Batman.

More fascist power fantasy than dramatic gritty “realism”

I am tremendously unconvinced that these movies are fascist, while many many seem to see it like SolRo does.

In Man of Steel, Kal-El turns his back on Krypton, where Eugenics is practiced, and where the fascist General Zog and Jor-El, who is supposed to be so enlightened, are apparently good friends. He chooses Earth which is seen as considerably less fascist than Krypton.

Batman v Superman is about how the trauma of being on the ground during the Superman-Zog rumble, which is clearly framed as a reference to 9/11, turns Batman into a super-racist fear-monger, who quotes Dick Cheney and tries to lynch Kal for being an alien, while an evil billionaire industrialist manipulates everything to suit his own ends.

Modern Batman is inherently fash no matter the director. It’s a story of an incredibly powerful billionaire magnate who, instead of using his massive wealth and influence to better his city or the world, spends as much of his free time as possible playing a ‘beyond the law’ vigilante deciding who is or isn’t worthy of bat-justice.

Vigilantism works in a underdog perspective. But when one of the most powerful people in the world goes ‘the law isn’t good enough for me’ and does his extrajudicial caped crusader shtick, including psychological torture of prisoners, it certainly seems
fascistic to me.

One critic on YouTube talks about Synder being into "edgelord fan fiction," and that's fair enough, but at this late date, isn't that an established part of the DC brand?

>>>But when one of the most powerful people in the world goes ‘the law isn’t good enough for me’ and does his extrajudicial caped crusader shtick, including psychological torture of prisoners, it certainly seems
fascistic to me.

Also, HE TRIES TO MURDER SUPERMAN. And he really does quote Dick Cheney

https://www.player.one/batman-v-superman-tv-spot-batfleck-para phrases-dick-cheney-new-clip-why-zack-snyders-506508

I will judge a book by its 2 minute cover until reviewers tell me I’m wrong.