The two wings of the same shitbird

Democrats needed 60 votes to pass the bill in question, were opposed by all 50 Republicans and one Democrat, the bill went to defeat. I mean, this only happened last month, you should remember it. But it failed because there aren't enough Democrats in the Senate, not because the Democrats weren't willing to pass it. Not that this SCOTUS wouldn't find a way to judicially review it out of existence anyway.

You assholes caused this by putting Trump in power, and now you're trying to blame the only people trying to stop it. Doesn't even much matter if you eventually cast a vote for Hillary, if you convinced other people not to, and Trump won. Almost everyone on this site can take a long relaxing soak in a barrel of sulfuric acid, because you are what's wrong with America every bit as much as the Republicans.

If you're interested in facts, it's pretty easy to prove that primary defectors from the left didn't play a major role in HRC's 2016 loss.

But I think the people making this claim are more interested in finding a scapegoat to distract from the fact that centrist New Democrats have had complete control of the party for the last 30 years and this is the result.

It's like a sports team losing and claiming it's not the coach or the players, it's the fans! They didn't cheer hard enough!

Fans don’t have a chance to elect more players to their team to overwhelm the other team.

Democrats are uniquely talented at passing off responsibility for their own failures on to anyone and anything else. They are incapable of mistakes.

Blaming HRC's primary opponents for vigorously campaigning against her is morally equivalent to blaming the GOP for having the temerity to run a candidate against her. It is a very wrong and very pathetic world view.

Politics are filtered through elections, and elections are hard fought and dirty. No amount of crying or working the refs make a difference to the outcome. If someone beat up HRC in the primaries in 2016, it was the responsibility of HRC and HRC alone to overcome it. There was absolutely no betrayal or underhanded dealing or anything remotely unethical. The process allows a primary, and other candidates ran in that primary. That's it.

Democrats continue to blame Bernie and the left, while refusing to do anything to even try to woo the left or earn their vote. They believe they are entitled to it. This is equivalent to committing suicide by hanging and blaming the noose.

tl; dr Bort you are so unbelievably wrong, so colossally and tragically wrong on this, and your inability to see it and address it dooms you to failure, forever. Also, suck my clit.

It's not rocket science. The one who caused the rise of fascism are the fascists.

And who failed to prevent it? We all did. Hillary absolutely should have reached out to the left after securing the nomination, and the Bernie Bronies absolutely should have calculated that being fucking assholes to Clinton supporters was only going to make that possibility more remote..

>>>But I think the people making this claim are more interested in finding a scapegoat to distract from the fact that (insert scapegoating here).

Rinse and repeat. The POE Ouroboros.

Republicans would eat shit for a conservative scotus super majority, voting in every election and voting for anything with an R after its name.

Meanwhile democrats and leftists fight over purity and who’s to blame and who deserves to win and how to earn your vote.

And that’s how the fascists won.

You’re fucked America.

The solution is bifurcation.

The number of sanders-trump voters from 2016 was less than the number of clinton-mccain voters in 2008. It's just a thing that happens; it didn't happen in bigger numbers in 2016 than in other elections.

Sanders-Trump voters were also mostly not people who identified as Democrats. Half of them were republicans or independents. A lot of them didn't vote for Obama. They didn't vote for democrats for congress. They were older white union guys who voted for Reagan, not young college leftists.

The "Bernie bros cost us the election" thing is a complete myth. But just keep repeating it if makes you feel better, I guess. Go for it! Reality can't stop you!

The POE Ouroboros is when people say something objectively factually false, it gets corrected, and then they make the same claim again in a few weeks.

Everyone that didn’t vote D in 2016 is to blame, pissy burniebros, lazy moderates, and apathetic leftists staying home in equal measure.

Again you dumb shits are fighting amongst yourselves while the fascists take over. This is how you’ll always be until some magat marches you into the showers.

>>>The "Bernie bros cost us the election" thing is a complete myth. But just keep repeating it if makes you feel better, I guess. Go for it! Reality can't stop you!

I agree that this is probably a myth. It is definitely not a fact. Actually, it's probably a straw man. I don't know if anyone literally believes that Sanders made the difference. Bort probably just got carried away, because he was angry, possibly because many of the Sanders supporters were fucking assholes. In 2016, there was always a Bernie Brony willing to tell a reporter that they were going to vote for Trump, or an essay I read, I think it was in New York Magazine. These people (the ones who actually spoke on camera, or who personally were dicks to me on the internet, were obviously a minority of Sanders supporters, so let's keep that in mind. They clearly didn't cost Hilary the election, nevertheless, I hate those people with the heat of a thousand suns. Actually, that's probably too many sun. I hate them with the heat of a HUNDRED suns.

>>>Sanders-Trump voters were also mostly not people who identified as Democrats. Half of them were republicans or independents.

The ratio of idiots was 100 percent.

>>>The number of sanders-trump voters from 2016 was less than the number of clinton-mccain voters in 2008.

Wait a minute! Are you saying the ratio or the number? There were many times more Clinton voters than Sanders voters, so that would be a bigger number. Oh, why would I give a fuck. Never mind. Pretty soon we'll be going all the way back to Kennedy-Nixon.

>>>>Democrats continue to blame Bernie and the left, while refusing to do anything to even try to woo the left or earn their vote. They believe they are entitled to it.

You shouldn't vote Democrat because of a sense of obligation to Nancy Pelosi. DO YOU LIKE FASCISM? YES OR NO?

This is equivalent to committing suicide by hanging and blaming the noose.

No, it's not. No one committed suicide. The cause of the rise of fascism is the fascists. Some people are probably not being helpful, and some of us may disagree who that is, but it's time to keep your eye on the ball. The Republicans are the problem.

>>>The POE Ouroboros is when people say something objectively factually false, it gets corrected, and then they make the same claim again in a few weeks.

Stay the fuck out of my metaphor, ashtar. Your sports metaphor was pretty bad.

It amuses me to no end that shitlibs simultaneously hold the beliefs that Berniebros have the ability to determine if Democrats win or lose elections *and* that Berniebros owe their enthusiastic support to centrist Democrats without expecting any policy concessions, or even fake respect.

2016 is long gone now. Center-right Democrats won in 2018 and 2020 while scorning everything that the Bernie movement was about, without making any attempt whatsoever to bring us on board. And you won like that!

The 2020 campaign and the Biden administration that followed it has been a total and complete repudiation of the 2016 and 2020 Bernie campaigns and the 2020 summer of protest. Every step of the way this has been deliberate by the Democratic Party. Praising cops, praising Republicans, rewarding Manchin and Sinema while pretending to be obstructed by them, and just this week overwhelmingly passing a bill to provide over-the-top security to SCOTUS justices. $60 billion to Ukrainian nazis. An insane pentagon budget, $45b more than was even requested. Nothing on Roe though. Nothing on housing. More oil drilling than ever, record oil company profits, $5 gas.

Bro when this giant wet turd hits the fan the mess is ENTIRELY on you fucks that told us over and over again in 2020 that "just not being Trump is enough" and that run cover for these useless pieces of shit. You are every bit as bad as the maga chuds. Possibly worse because you are fucking dumber.

Fucking hell. This is like watching a bunch of retards arguing about who’s the most/least autistic.

The dems dug their own grave on this one. Obama LITERALLY PROMISED to codify Roe v Wade into law on DAY ONE of his presidency, and despite having a trifecta AND a supermajority in congress was just like "lol nah" and didn't do it.

They had 50 fucking years. And it's no surprise, the Dems doubled down on cops, said "fuck you" to the working class on the $15 min wage, and have just been abject failure after abject failure.

Nobody is coming to save us. It's up to us to save one another, and I'm glad that folks like Four Thieves are out there sharing live-saving knowledge like this. Especially because all you'll get from the Dems is another fucking fundraising email.

Republicans are also willing to throw any "rules" and "norms" directly into the trash to get what they want (see the Merrick Garland nomination), while Democrats quake in fear over upsetting the fucking senate parliamentarian.

One "side" plays by the "rules", one side fights to win.

Republicans have tons of people who'll vote for them on one single issue no matter how bad everything else is.

Democrats have tons of people who won't vote for them based on one single issue no matter how good everything else is.


The idea of having to "earn" your vote is choosing to hang yourself and blaming everyone else for not talking you out of it.

>>>The dems dug their own grave on this one. Obama LITERALLY PROMISED to codify Roe v Wade into law on DAY ONE of his presidency, and despite having a trifecta AND a supermajority in congress was just like "lol nah" and didn't do it.

Yeah, I really think that did happen.

not the first time i've said this and may it not be the last, but these ***** bad boys are for jangbones's comment

Elected Republicans deliver exactly the racist, regressive policy that Republican voters demand. They make specific promises and then they fucking deliver on them.

Democrats make specific promises and then lie about why they can't achieve them. The jig is up; the average normie voter that got dragged into this in 2016 and 2020 had now learned what the rest of us learned in 2009; it does not matter how many Democrats you elect. They will ALWAYS pretend to be 'just one vote away' from doing the minimum necessary no matter how many of them you elect.

This isn't about fucking brand loyalty you dolts.

The Democrats have Congress and the White House and Republicans are getting things done they haven’t been able to do for decades. You "vote for Democrats!" people need to shut. the. fuck. up

It sure did JHM. Obama had a supermajority in the senate for his first 72 working days in office, as well as a comfortable majority in the house.

Regarding his promise: https://www.newsweek.com/barack-obama-blasted-not-codifying-roe-v- wade-democrat-failure-1719156

"In 2007, then Senator Obama told Planned Parenthood signing [the Freedom of Choice Act] would be "the first thing I'd do as president."

And then he just... didn't.

It should also be abundantly clear that the Dems have no plan beyond "win elections." They don't even offer up token resistance to fascism; indeed, they are complicit in it.

There are mechanisms of discipline for republicans. Either from party leadership (e.g., liz cheny getting censured) or from the base voting in some more-crazy asshat who calls people RINOs in the primary. If you don't toe the line or produce results you get the fucking boot. Shit, remember John Boehner?

There isn't really anything comparable for democrats. Look at the consequences Manchin and Sinema faced for torching Biden's whole legislative agenda: nothing. The party leaders won't do shit. Neither will a big chunk of "in this house we believe" lib voters; they'll throw themselves down on mud puddles so that leaders who have delivered loss after loss for 30 years (half of them deliberate and intentional) don't have to get their feet wet.

Sure, vote blue in the general. But if your representative doesn't support court reform, removing the filibuster, and adding DC and Puerto Rico as states, they're not serious about fixing this shit and they should be primaried. If you actually care about outcomes rather than just politics as an expression of personal virtue, that's where you should put your energy.

My metaphors are great John. Fuck you I'm a fucking poet.

>>>Fuck you I'm a fucking poet.

Stars for ashtar for making me chuckle here, where a laugh was badly needed. Not being ironic, okay?

The numbers are right there to prove that Stein votes could have flipped key states.

Is it a myth to say that a significant number of burned Bernie supporters cast those Stein votes? Possible, but more likely than burned Bernie supporters claiming that the DNC "stole" the primary from him.

If Stein voters can flip an election away from Democrats then why shouldn't Stein voters expect Democrats to negotiate for their votes?

>>>It amuses me to no end that shitlibs simultaneously hold the beliefs that Berniebros have the ability to determine if Democrats win or lose elections

Not really a narrative that is pushed by anyone.

>>>*and* that Berniebros owe their enthusiastic support to centrist Democrats without expecting any policy concessions, or even fake respect.

I respect Bernie Sanders. You're a piece of shit. You know who switched to supporting Biden after Bernie Sanders lost the nomination? FUCKING BERNIE SANDERS! It's because he doesn't like fascism. If you like fascism, that's definitely a choice that you have these days, so go nuts.

>>>Bro when this giant wet turd hits the fan the mess is ENTIRELY on you fucks that told us over and over again in 2020 that "just not being Trump is enough" and that run cover for these useless pieces of shit. You are every bit as bad as the maga chuds. Possibly worse because you are fucking dumber.

"Not being Trump is enough" in an election with Trump. Against Trump, I would vote for Ronald Reagan, back from the grave as a flesh eating zombie. Terrible things keep happening, but nothing is ever going to make me regret that Trump lost, even though you kept telling us over and over, ad nauseum, how you were going to laugh at us when Trump inevitably won.

John we can revisit this in November and see if just being 'not Trump' was enough

>>>John we can revisit this in November and see if just being 'not Trump' was enough

So you're going to STFU about the Democrats until November? I don't think so.

Imagine thinking that voting for Democrats was a vote against fascism. lmao

Like nearly everyone I engage with on this, I'm not convinced that you have a clear understanding of what fascism is.

yes this is fascism and we remember how the Soviets defeated fascism last time; by voting for and donating to center-right politicians

Their epi-pencil has literally saved lives. You can make your own decisions, but they know their shit.

Well, that's reassuring. It's a question that needs to be asked.

stolen from: https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1540734328279142400

>>>A lot of people don't even know that Biden has urged local governments in states where abortion is now illegal to spend desperately needed health care aid on overtime and weapons for cops. The flow of these federal resources for criminalizing women is an emergency.

So when I tried to google this I had an unusually hard time finding sources.

I finally found something from the White House, and of course, it should be viewed skeptically. But this is a lot more detailed. If this is what glasseye is talking about, the details offered here paint a different picture. If this ISN'T what glasseye is talking about, I couldn't find that, please give us a link.

https://tinyurl.com/ve5nwvjw

The tweet was referring to Biden funneling COVID relief funds to police.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-to-ask-local-officials-to-s pend-coronavirus-relief-money-on-public-safety/

Furthermore, Biden has more than tripled funding for the COPS program, (which issues grants directly to police agencies); from $157 Million in Trump's last year (FY2021) to $537 million in FY2023: https://www.justice.gov/jmd/page/file/1491676/download

This article from 2021 shows the first year of this vast increase in federal cop spending; it includes a popular graphic you may have seen: https://stephensemler.substack.com/p/biden-doubles-funding-for-pol ice

This is no surprise, of course, Biden has always been against any reduction in police funding, and publicly said so in the days after George Floyd was murdered. He continues to double down on using the violent white supremacist agents of state power to solve his problems.

It is, of course, the police who will enforce all of the new abortion bans. Biden's funding will open the floodgates of a river of blood.

It took me about a half hour to fix your broken link.

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