He makes a point that's really easy to make when you aren't in the fucking desert being shot at by religious fanatics. The idea of "winning" in Iraq is ludicrous too, as it implies that we have a tangible enemy that can be defeated. The left may be calling for a troop withdrawal for purely political reasons, but it IS the right thing to do. It's also funny how the right is so clever and machiavellian until it suits them to get their collective vag all wet and tearful. THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Actually, he doesn't make a good point. And if Newt fuckng Gingrich of all people is the best "OMG UNSTOPPABLE ARGUMENT" thing that 29-percenters can come up with, then that's actually a bit heartening.
This is, in every way, utterly ridiculous and, ironically, so totally typical of the average war-supporting idiot that they have to make up stats out of their ass to even come close to trying to bring some sense of rationality to what they are doing and supporting.

Also, for all his brave sounding speechery, why is it that Gingrich didn't serve in the military?

When are you signing up?

If only there had been a way to keep Iraq from becoming what it has become today! If only the situation could have been prevented somehow!

If only!

You fucking chicken hawk scumbag.

The only reason I can think of to stay in Iraq is whoever's going to take over once we leave. I wouldn't be at all suprized if the next leader was worse than Saddam could ever hope to be.

This video is a good example of how naive and simplistic the current pro war arguments are.

Politics, fuck 'em.

The left does not oppose victory in Iraq. You cannot oppose something that is impossible.

We have lost in Iraq. When you go to war and make things worse for yourself and get thousands killed in the process, that's called failure. You do not undo that failure by resolving to sit in the desert for another decade or so. Even if we pulled some small victory out of this, it could realistically never outweigh what we've already lost. Losing more in a war than you gain would be another sign of defeat.

Newt speaks of the Taliban machine-gunning young girls to death. What happened to us getting rid of them? Didn't we do away with them five years ago? Oh, right-we didn't have the resources to finish the job because we were too busy chasing our tails in Iraq. He talks about how if we leave, Iraqis might die. How come all the Iraqis who have already died never seem to matter in conservative eyes? It's always the ones who might die in some vaguely-defined future event after we leave who count. The ones who are dead here and now are just inconvenient statistics which are mentioned as little as possible. They ignore real tragedies and lament imaginary ones.

In the face of all the horror this war has caused, to continue to chase an illusory victory as if it were the only thing that mattered is morally contemptible. The Iraq War is not a baseball game. We are not going to rally in the ninth inning and win it for that little boy in the hospital. There are already plenty of little boys in hospitals thanks to this war.

So sorry, Newt, but America has better things to do than wander through the desert on a Quixotic search for an intangible and ever-changing concept.

Is the right-wing echo chamber so desperate for intelligent discourse that anyone -- even Enjoy -- considers "the Demonrats don't want America to win because they hate America" to be "a point"?

Wow, that was so moving that I almost forgot that the whole reason we invaded in the first place was because Bush and his neo-con cabal scared the shit out of the American public with images of mushroom clouds.

But hey, I guess it's about "democracy" now.

And seriously, given the fact that a "loss" in Iraq would allow a quasi-civil war to blossom into a full-fledged one and mean the deaths of even more 18-20 year old kids, who the fuck WANTS the United States to fail? What sort of hopelessly inane soundbyte-sludge is this that the learned Enjoy is passing off as a "point?"

Oh, look, Eva Longoria is on TV. I forgot what I was saying.

How to rate this bullshit? 1 or 5?

We have to stand behind the Iraqis like Bush I stood behind the Kurds after the first Gulf War.

"We drained the treasury and totally fucked up Iraq. Please clean up our mess!"

-1 star for political bullshit

-4 stars for Fox News

Enjoy, you are a silly bitch and I wouldn't have you any other way.

Is this clip from 2007 or 2004? Would it make any difference?

usually things from atlanta automatically get five-starred by me.

newt gingrich is a fucking exception. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL V-I DAY, WHEN HANDSOME SOLDIERS KISS NEWLY DE-BURQA'D IRAQI WOMEN IN THE STREETS OF A NEWLY LIBERATED BAGHDAD WHILE FIREWORKS GO OFF!!!!!

We've already fucking lost and we can take out the Iraqis who worked with us and bring them here.

If (when?) this country falls as a world power, I hope people like Newt are alive to see it. Because it will be all their fault.

I'm not even going to bother rating this.

So Gingbitch i guess when dem-congress pours more money into Iraq youll be all like OMG HIPP0CRITEZ!1 right?
To think how the american right whined when Clinton bombed Yugoslavia (where a genocide was going on like THEN. Not like Saddam whose main clame to fame is a delightful little U.S sponsored romp in Kurdistan 20 years ago) its really quite off pissing.