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Desc:Bearded veteran removes offending flag with large knife
Category:News & Politics
Tags:reno, immigration, grizzled, veteran, Flag
Submitted:Anonymous
Date:10/09/07
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Comment count is 71
Roachbud - 2007-10-09
Fuck whitey, Mexicans are Indian's reclaiming what's their's
Mike Tyson?! - 2007-10-09
Almost got those apostrophes right.. Keep trying!

Billy Buttsex - 2007-10-09
Might as well give the indians back what's theirs too then! And how about them Romans? Oh, I'm sorry... they're white. Give it to the blacks then.

Roachbud - 2007-10-09
The Romans got back what was their's (suck it, Tyson) in the 1800s and the blacks run Africa. Kill whitey.

Knuckles - 2007-10-09
"Theirs," Roachbud.

"Theirs."

oswaldtheluckyrabbit - 2007-10-09
Aren't you a reporter? Your editors must have fun with you.

Roachbud - 2007-10-09
I spend a little more time editing and reviewing when I'm writing for publication as opposed to posting comments about evil videos from the internets. Plus "theirs" is not a word I have ever written in hundreds of articles.

EvilHomer - 2007-10-09
Wait... which Indians? There were at least three distinct waves of Indian migrations into North America, each one seeing successive groups of loosely related tribes pushing out previous inhabitants. Nevermind the fact that Mexicans are usually descended from both white AND native stock (hell, the Meixcan is this video looks whiter than me), which "Indians" are we talking about, and by what criteria do we know what's "theirs" and what isn't?

voodoo_pork - 2007-10-09
First of all, "their's" is a contraction of "their" and "is," and is also not really a word. "Theirs" is the possessive form of "their," and actually is a word.

Before you start making any racist bullshit remarks about "Whitey", you want want to figure out third grade grammar first. Finally, you say you're too busy writing and editing "hundreds of articles," (which I'm sure appear in the finest of publications), but you find the time to respond TWICE to separate comments on Poetv.com. Hmm...




Jeff Fries - 2007-10-09
OOHOHOOH pickleshoes
Spastic Avenger - 2010-08-31
The 'Veteran' is upset because he fought hard in those Mexican wars.

IrishWhiskey - 2007-10-09
The bewildered look on the owners face as he picks up the tattered flag that was thrown to the ground, contrasted with the sneering and anger of those trying to start a fight....

That storeowner wasn't the one disgracing our country.
Namor - 2008-04-02
Right, he was just blatantly disrespecting our country, not disgracing it.

IrishWhiskey - 2009-12-02
Sure, because the fact that this guy chose to display an American flag in front of his store reveals, not that he's proud of his new home that he chose to live and build a family in, but deep seeded hatred and a desire to provoke a conflict.

Honestly, I don't know why we're bothering with Al-Qaeda. Its clear that St Patrick's Day parades and IHOP are the real threats to America.

DrVital - 2007-10-09
Was the reporter trying to start a fight as well?
Diogenes - 2007-10-09
This clip makes me sad and ashamed. It is utterly repugnant for a local television station to stage and then air a clip of an armed vigilante menacing an immigrant business owner over flag etiquette. Furthermore, it is not illegal to fly a foreign flag over a US flag, and any such law would be unconstitutional.

This is disgusting. Utterly, utterly disgusting.
voodoo_pork - 2007-10-09
But it makes for great TV. Which is usually the same thing.

Smellvin - 2007-10-09
The knife he shows is a K-Bar. That's a marine issue knife...

Also, why can't a private citizen who owns the flags fly them however he chooses? I first thought this was a prank where someone put the Mexican flag on the state house or something.
zatojones - 2007-10-09
It's technically illegal as per US Code Title 4, Chapter 1, 7(c). But making something illegal and actually enforcing those laws aren't always the same thing.

Diogenes - 2007-10-09
US Code Title 4, Chapter 1 is a protocol, not a legal statute. As of right now, the government of the United States cannot compel or prevent the citizenry from honoring or dishonoring the flag in any manner. As many of the mouth breathers here helpfully point out this can be seen as a political statement, thus it is protected political speech, speech protected by the first amendment.

It is not illegal to fly the flag in any manner you choose.

Operation Cornflakes - 2007-10-09
It may not be illegal, but as Thoreau pointed out, civil disobedience is not only an option but it is one's DUTY when confronted with a situation where lawful injustice goes against one's conscience.

Funny how civil disobedience is celebrated all over the internet, but yet when this man sees a symbol of something he loves being disrespected and actually does something about it, he's vilified.

futurebot - 2007-10-09
We don't celebrate disobedience because it's disobedience or because it's in defense of things that people feel strongly about - we celebrate civil disobedience which furthers the cause of justice. There is nothing just about this kind of vandalism and intimidation.

Mordant - 2007-10-09
civil disobedience =/= vandalism and death threats

doc duodenum - 2007-10-09
Doesn't 'civil' disobedience imply some sort of government institution is involved? That is not present in this case. The flags that were vandalized both belong to the store owner.

Diogenes - 2007-10-09
Civil Disobedience is where you break unjust laws to protest injustice, not where you break laws because someone with absolutely no goddamned authority over you expresses a differing opinion. And it sure as hell isn't knife-wielding vigilante violence used to coerce an individual into complying with imaginary, arbitrary, fake, bullshit, make-believe rules.

EvilHomer - 2007-10-09
My, you're a cynical one, aren't you? I'd hardly call this "knife-wielding vigilante violence"... maybe "offended beardo making an aggressive public statement", but he doesn't actually threaten anyone, and he's not trying to force the Mexicans into complying with existent imaginary flag codes; he's simply stealing their US flag until they learn to be better patriots and/or beat the shit out of him.

Daughters of Uzbek - 2007-10-09
4 U.S.C. 1 is a statute enacted by the Congress and signed into law by President Roosevelt, not a "protocol." That's why it's in the U.S. Code. It is not imaginary, make-believe or fake, although arbitrary and bullshit are different considerations.

More uses of the "grizzled" tag, please.

Midnight Man - 2007-11-29
cornflakes-

That's the first time I've seen vandalising and stealing private property called civil disobedience.

Maru - 2012-09-01
It's a "law" with no penalty for breaking it, so I don't really see the point of quibbling about its legality. By the same standard, this gentleman was in violation of the flag code for balling it up in his hand. Also -stealing- a flag (along with any other piece of personal property) is a real law.

Operation Cornflakes - 2007-10-09
Flags are symbols of beliefs and ideas, and are regulated by custom and courtesy. Hoisting a foreign flag above the American flag is very rude. It's deliberately provocative. It makes a statement to the people in this country. To me it says, you are beneath us. In your own land. You may think that is okay, but you can't be surprised if it angers other Americans.

I don't blame the guy who brought it down one bit.
Endoris - 2007-10-09
...I'm sure Mexican Immigrant guy wasn't thinking "I'm going to make this outrageous statement about America! Mexico is way better!" I mean, did you see his response?
If he was really making a statement, maybe he would've said something to that haggard old veteran - you know, the one who was shouting about "coming out to fight us" while wielding a knife?
It was probably just one of those mornings; had to quick raise the flag and wasn't thinking about it right. I mean, they didn't even say whether anybody contacted the owner to say, "Hey, man. Just so you know. Flag over flag. Illegal." Just vigilantism on behalf of some scraggly old veteran with a weapon and a cameraman. Seems pathetic.
That being said, a million stars!

zatojones - 2007-10-09
Why are you so sure of that?

mr666 - 2007-10-09
Flying another countries flag of the American flag is an insult (in America), so I can see why they got upset. However, their reaction was totally unreasonable as I'm sure actually talking to the guy would have had a much better resolution.

mr666 - 2007-10-09
^^^his reaction, I meant

Roachbud - 2007-10-09
Fuck America

Endoris - 2007-10-09
Just guessing. I think the reporters, cameraman, and veteran seemed very sure that the Mexican guy was deliberately defiling freedom with his flaggish display.

futurebot - 2007-10-09
A flag is not a symbol of some objective thing. Flying one flag above another does not symbolize some objective thing. It makes no objective statements or provocations. Maybe you don't "blame" the guy who brings it down, but I should hope that you care enough about the rule of law to understand that VIGILANTE JUSTICE IS STUPID.

Operation Cornflakes - 2007-10-09
A flag is most certainly symbolic of the ideals and heritage that is a nation's identity. Before anyone goes off of the "GO 'MERKA USA" tangent, I believe that showing reverence to a flag does not mean that you revere it's leaders or policies and indeed I do not.

Anyways, if you believe that people don't attach meanings to these symbols, go burn a rainbow flag on the corner of Market and Castro in San Fransico. Go burn a Union Jack in front of Parliament. Burn a picture of Mohammed in Mecca. I guarantee that you'll find out just how much value people attach to these symbols.

Vigilante justice is stupid, but I guarantee that the Mexican flag didn't suffer or feel any pain. I think the statement he made was just as valid as the statement the shopkeeper made by flying another flag above the U.S. flag, be it intentional or not. I can see your point on how it's considered vandalism, I think the only hatred and intimidation there was the hatred that someone would openly disrespect the flag that way.

But then again, that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

Knuckles - 2007-10-09
One of the meanings attached to the American flag is freedom of thought, expression, and action. You do far more justice to the flag -- or at least, the concepts behind it -- if you allow someone else to do as they wish with it rather than rob someone of it and cart it off in a wadded ball under your sweaty armpits in some half-baked attempt to restore its honor. What that man did is the exact opposite of the ideals the flag embodies.

Also, I'm pretty sure Muslims would be the first in line to burn a picture of Mohamed.

Roachbud - 2007-10-09
I'm pretty sure you would get congratulated for burning a picture of Muhammed in Mecca, since making images of the prophet is sacreligious to Muslims. That's why they got so pissed off about the Danish cartoons.

Roachbud - 2007-10-09
But then again unless you are a Muslim you can't even get into Mecca

Operation Cornflakes - 2007-10-09
Bad example, but you get my point.

I guess it just boils down to a guy who took this as an affront to his land and did something about it. I'm less certain about the appropriateness of what exactly he did, but I do stand behind his reasoning on being offended.

Midnight Man - 2007-11-29
I remember another group of brave of men willing to stand up and do something about what they considered an insult to the great country of the United States of America:

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0700/media/0701_013001.jpg

Ouroboros - 2007-11-29
Cornflakes, I am offended by YOUR views.

However, if I expressed this by coming to your house, fertilizer burning "FASCIST" into your lawn, and taking a massive dump on your front step, I would expect niether sympathy for exercising my freedom of expression, nor would anyone be retarded enough to call it civil disobedience.

It turns out that my freedom of expression ends somewhere around the point that it takes the form of vandalizing and stealing your property. Who would have thought it?

Spastic Avenger - 2010-08-31
I can see why you're called 'merkins' now.

Billy Buttsex - 2007-10-09
Dear Operation Cornflakes: thank you.
x - 2007-10-09
I would have liked to have seen him make a citizen's arrest and then see what the police would've done. But this was good, too.

Also, I like the fact that he did it on his own. Maybe he's just a cranky loner with no friends, but he got off his ass and did it without any supportive goons chanting, "USA! USA!"
Meatsack Jones - 2007-10-09
Proof once again, why the rest of the world hates our asses.
zatojones - 2007-10-09
Yes the world hates us because of our flag laws

Gill_Sans - 2007-10-09
It helps.

Vicious - 2008-01-16
Mexico hates us now, too?

sosage - 2007-10-09
The camera man's intense guerrilla journalism was thwarted...because he was under 21.
Benzene265 - 2007-10-09
He shouldn't carry the flag around all balled-up like that. The reporter should have helped him fold it.
Pandatronic - 2007-10-09
As always, the amount of serious righteous outrage in a person's comments seems to be inversely proportional to the number of videos they've actually submitted.

Five stars!
jihadbaby - 2007-10-09
Yes, because the more videos you submit kids, the more your opinion matters!

I'm not an American, so I couldn't give a fuck about your flag, but Operation Cornflakes does have a point, flying another country's flag above the US flag while in the US is disrespectful, regardless of the legality of the matter. Still, It would have also been nicer to give the poor beaner the benefit of the doubt and say "hey Pedro, you know, in Mexico it's alright to have your flag above ours, but could you please invert them while in our country, Muchas Gracias!". Rather than go out with a bowie knife.

Pandatronic - 2007-10-09
Well, I was trying to illustrate that opening registration has exponentially increased the number of YouTube-quality bitchfests without resulting in more, better videos. But that too.

jihadbaby - 2007-10-09
Oh come on! Can't you see we're trying to change the world through our opinions here?

Snap: "Me thinks the mexican was reclaiming his land"

Crackle: "No, mexican is rude"

Pop: "Yeah he was rude but then the American was stoopid"

futurebot - 2007-10-09
For a hardened veteran, he sure is a crybaby.
Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2007-10-09
Guys like him who call themselves "veterans" are usually the type who pealed potatoes and never made it past the rank of corporal during their brief tenure in the military.

Rudy - 2007-10-09
Thank you, bearded weirdo! You've really taught us a lot about America. I would be honored to fight you for that flag!
voodoo_pork - 2007-10-09
Do I get a knife?

Aubrey McFate - 2007-10-09
What in the fuck.
Okay, everything about the flag symbolism has been said to death. So what about the whole staged situation deal? "What do you think about that?" Jesus Christ.
halon - 2007-10-09
The related videos' titles (as well as the submitted one) are amazingly depressing. The US flag code is not a law, and as such there is nothing even remotely approaching the outer boundaries of what could be considered illegal even on the moon about what the owner of the flags was doing.

Armed robbery, however, is a felony charge.

Every one of you fuckers who are even halfway defending what the asshole with the knife did disgrace free societies everywhere.
EvilHomer - 2007-10-09
What if we're a quarter defending it? Are we disgracing only those free societies in the Western Hemisphere?

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2007-10-10
Just for the record, Mexican Immigrant guy didn't react violently or in a hostile manner. He seemed to have a wtf expression or an "oh shit" expression. Either way, let's look at this logically. He is the owner of a business. If he did do this as a political statement, I think that would indicate more anger than this guy actually has. On top of that, he has to have known, if he did do this on purpose, that it would attract the negative attention of rednecks or worse. The second possibility is that this was a Chicano pride thing, in other words the same shit that goes down at any legalization for immigration rally. The next possibility is that he didn't intend shit and didn't give it a second thought because he was too busy trying to do other things.

Or maybe an employee did it without him knowing.

I just love the jumping to conclusions on everyone's part, THEY'RE actually the only things funnier than the video.
LetsFistAgain - 2007-10-13
DO IT YOURSELF NEO CON DEMAGOUGERY:

1. Motivate the reason why poor people with their jobs destroyed by NAFTA shouldnt be allowed to look for work in America using the words "blood", "culture" and "heritage" at least 1972 times.

2. Pretend to be offended by some arbitrary broken flag law because of "freedom", "invasion" and "the hands that built this country"
(not at all because the idea of brownies serving as foot-rests still seem kind of appealing.)

3. Oh and the most important one of all: dismiss the statue of liberty, a token of the trust and respect the rest of the world had for America and its immigration policies as a work by those self-important frenchies.

4. If you are an immigrant in America, legal or illegal dont live on welfare. Dont look for work either. Fuck, those Mexicans are lazy!

5. As for foreign policy one wonders why those ragheads, kikes, skinnies and niggers dont even respect us when we save them. Oh well theire brown.
Vicious - 2008-01-16
"Skinnies"?

LetsFistAgain - 2008-01-27
Ill take it, you have never seen Black Hawk Down.

Janusian Soul - 2008-06-04
I was under the impression the proper way to fly two flags from two different nations was on two separate poles of the same height; not one over the other, no matter what country you're in.
lordpotato - 2008-10-14
First of all, don't wad up the american flag, asshole, second of all, no one's going to fight you to get it back when you've got a huge blade on you.
Johnny Roastbeef - 2009-01-15
Who am I? I'm a fuckin' veteran.
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