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Desc: A British cleric Qualifies what 'innocent' means.
Category:Classic TV Clips, Religious
Tags:Muslim, islam, BBC, religion, How faith fucks you up
Submitted:Spastic Avenger
Date:11/08/07
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Comment count is 33
Camonk
Sweet. I'ma become Muslim and just rob hella banks and punch hella suckers in the mouth. And this dude will stand with me.
SolRo
Please do, go rob some people in saudi arabia. Or whichever muslim country punishes thieves by cutting their hands off.

Black Napkins
Every time the brits need to talk to a muslim crazy, they trot this guy out. Look for interviews with this guy around 9/11.
That guy
But he's not the only one who thinks this way, however crazy he comes off. I've heard similar rhetoric too many times by pro speakers, in person and in the media, many of them smoother than this evil clown. Every word the apologists use is redefined to their liking, and if you don't know how to press them on it, they will sound like they're being reasonable. It's vaguely akin to the Doctrine of Mental Reservation.

[Since this is such a flamey thread: In attacking islamism, I am not defending other religions, particularly the violent, fundamentalists or proselytizers. I do tend to have a bigger problem with people who are worse for my well-being or everyone's. In my estimation, that would be beardy with the hat in the clip and his ilk.]

Spastic Avenger
I initially thought this clip was a parody in very bad taste. I submitted it once I realised that this guy was Bona Fide, and it still takes my breath away in the same way Phelps and Bill Donohue do.
futurebot
Compare and contrast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i74ZnwEuEMg

This interview is awful. They're talking right past each other, and neither is engaging with the other's argument.
Spastic Avenger
That was partly the reason why I submitted this. I can understand what you are saying, but if it had been a 'good' interview I wouldn't have felt it appropriate for this site. the tag 'how faith fucks you up' was meant to be about both sides inability to engage rationally with the other without it descending into cross-purpose bickering.

Billy Buttsex
The only people that annoy me even more than these people are the "EVERYONE IS RIGHT IN THEIR OWN WAY" enabler PC liberals.

However, the liberals aren't bombing anyone, so I tend to just roll my eyes at them.
futurebot
you forgot to call them hippies

grimcity
"Enabler PC liberals?" What the fuck does that even mean?

Roachbud
Those "Enabler PC Liberals" criticize regimes that don't respect human rights, unlike Bush who has ignored abuses everywhere in favor of American interests. See China, Sudan, Pakistan, Turkey (they throw people in jail for saying genocide happened). Don't go spouting Iraq at me, because if we invaded that shithole for freedom why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, UAE, China, Russia.....

eatenmyeyes
Roachbud, I would really like to see Billy and you welded together running away from a lava flow.

Roachbud
eatenmyeyes, I would really like you to see me fucking your mom

eatenmyeyes
Durf...ya got me durf!

Billy Buttsex
Just for the record, an enabler pc liberal is the kind of moron who goes out and supports any non-white "oppressed" culture in the name of diversity, and ends up fortifying dangerous and hateful organizations or handout programs just because they hate bush or feel guilty because they're white.

Roachbud
that lava flow shit was a brilliant insult, you should get a fucking trophy.

eatenmyeyes
You made a good point earlier.

I assure you that no insult was intended towards you (it was hostility towards Billy).

LetsFistAgain
Followed only by THE "SADDAM HAD NUKES AND AL QAEDAS! PLEASE REMOVE MY CIVIL LIBERTIES IN EXCHANGE FOR A LITTLE LESS SHIT IN MY PANTS MR.BUSH!" neo con douchebags.
LetsFistAgain
I also seem to remember a certain Republican President blurting out ISLAM MEANS PEACE!1 a while after 9/11.

On a less serious note the sound was going to fast on this clip but Crazy Mullah with voice of suave british gentleman in his 60's somehow made his condoning of violence kind of sexy.

theFlu
Suktar L Sodom
KnowFuture
Sorta foil hat talk, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out they were all working for the same company.

"See? Muslims are all dicks! Let's bomb them!"

joyofdiscord
There's multitudes of Christians out there saying the same bullshit, like:

If you aren't a Christian, you are guilty and going to hell.

Only Christians can feel love.

All non-Christians are "lost" and "confused."


Billy Buttsex
and don't forget when Christians say "go out and bomb supermarkets in Muslim countries." Oh, wait... you can because they DON'T.

joyofdiscord
Uhmmm... you know, the U.S. (with the support of the Christian right) is actually killing and torturing a lot of innocent civilians with only the most superficial of remorse.

Billy Buttsex
Yeah, and because of it, people all over the world are afraid to travel on airplanes or go into crowded supermarkets.

Billy Buttsex
And also because of Christians, women are afraid to leave their houses without their hijabs on, and gay people are afraid of getting their heads chopped off.

LetsFistAgain
Christian Terrorists:

National Liberation Front of Tripura
Lords Rescistance Army
Army Of God
Klu Klux Klan
God's Army
Nagaland Rebels
National Democratic Front of Bodoland
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Eric Robert Rudolph
Freedomites
Clayton Waagner
Various Irish groups
Timothy McVeigh
Congrès Panafricain des Jeunes Patriotes

Billy "i am what spurts out after" Buttsex is one of those editorial cartoonists who loves to draw the grim reaper with the word "diversity" on his robe and Hillary Clinton on a Donkey with a beard and AK saying "Democrats in 2008!" and other such hits the freedom loving crowd when they get together and pass around the old sense of humour.

Aelric
letsfistagain, that is brilliant

billy, give it up, pick one side or the other in whole is stupid. you gotta find a balance. you at least seem to be spouting that Christians are totally innocent, when those who use the name of jesus have repeatedly committed acts of genocide throughout history. islam ain't mush better in it's track record. all religion is fucking poison, therefore both sides are equally worthless as contributers to the human fucking race and this argument you are spouting about the lesser of two evils is pointless. evil is evil, that is enough.

Aelric
i don't smoke crack, but my fingers do. don't be a grammar nazi and focus on my point.

Billy Buttsex
Hey-- I'm not saying the Christians have been total pacifists and make everything peachy keen, but if I had to choose between the Christians and the Muslims, I'd pick the Jesus freaks ANY day, and I'd bet you would too. I mean, really... would you rather have Billy Graham or Ahmadinejad? Seriously.

And by the way... good points, both of you. I don't really disagree too much, but I don't think you can judge "modern" Christianity and "modern" Islam with the same stick. .

Aelric
i'll admit you have a point there as well. it's just that you seemed to be throwing all on the muslims.


LetsFistAgain
and other such hits the freedom loving crowd concieve when they get together and pass around the old sense of humour.

Randroid
This wonderful thread is better than the video.
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