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Desc:Speeder won't sign his ticket, gets a little electric persuasion
Category:Crime, Horror
Tags:taser, police brutality, speeding ticket, whiny indignation
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charmlessman - 2007-11-21
Dick cop doing his dick cop thing.
There was no way a taser was warranted there. Those are a self defense tool, not a "follow my instructions" tool.

Smellvin - 2007-11-21
The guy was being an idiot, but I have to agree with you.

Xiphias - 2007-11-21

Smellvin - 2007-11-21

Innocent Bystander - 2007-11-21
Does this asshole know any other phrase in the english language besides "follow my instructions"?
Randroid - 2007-11-21
Tasing is the new Linux.
IrishWhiskey - 2007-11-21
I feel particularly bad for the girl here, who it seems like at first thought the guy had been shot.
Big Beef Burritos Supreme - 2007-11-21
Wow. Sue.
remag2117 - 2007-11-21
You know, I've gone through my whole life so far, and I've never been tased by a cop. Never had a taser pointed at me. Never even had a cop consider the possibility of tasing me.

All because I don't turn encounters with a cop into a measuring contest, and when instructed to follow protocol, I do so.

Sign the stupid ticket buddy. You'll have plenty of time to mouth off to the cops when your in court defending your not guilty claim.
Xiphias - 2007-11-21

remag2117 - 2007-11-21
Obediance to protocol, designed to assist authorities keep the peace and protect the private property of American citizens. The same protocol that has ensured such peace for 200+ years.

If you want to defy the cop, make sure you know protocol better than he does, and demonstrate that in the court-room.

Adramelech - 2007-11-21
At the risk of sounding like an enormous faux-rebel faggot, government loves people like you. You sound like you have Stockholm Syndrome and are more than ready to blame the victim. See, watch.

I've never been raped. I've never even had a stranger's dick pointed at me. That's because I don't dress like a little whore and dance around like a hussy asking for it.

No. The reason you've never been tazed is because, by the purest chance, you haven't encountered that one sociopathic power tripping police officer who thinks having a clean record and community college credits gives him the right to bully, intimidate and discharge potentially fatal self-defensive weaponry on people because he doesn't like the tone of their voice.

remag2117 - 2007-11-21
By knowing protocol, and by knowing it better than those who are trained to enforce it, one can easily pick out the straight shooter cop from the crazy sociopath, and react accordingly.

And I'm sorry to say a comparison of this instance to rape is an invalid comparison. In one instance, portrayed in this film, the "victim" is acting outside legal protocol that is not, by its nature, an unjust procedure (therefore, he is not practicing civil disobediance). The cops trained response to such activity is to enforce the appropriate protocol in this event (which, in this case, is arrest). Thus, the "victim" is acting outside his legal right. In the instance of rape, a victim is acting to protect her personal property (in this case, his or her body). This is well within the victim's legal right, whereas the attacker is acting outside legal protocol. Thus, the aggressor is acting outside his/her legal right.

Two difference scenarios. Two different interpretations.

Xenocide - 2007-11-22
We should build a giant space taser that can tase anyone, anywhere on the face of the globe. And it is always watching.

That'll teach people to not be like you.

jihadbaby - 2007-11-22

futurebot - 2007-11-24
What the fuck is this ridiculous "protocol" you're going on about? That's not a legal term. This kid seems to be only half-remembering how to deal with policemen from that one ACLU video, but you seem to be getting your ideas from Robocop. GUYS PROTOCOL IS WHEN HE SAYS TEN SECONDS TO COMPLY YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITHIN TEN SECONDS

halon - 2007-11-21
Did this cockhole not realize that the camera was recording? He claims the guy is under arrest, then refuses to explain what crime was being broken AND to read the guy his rights.
Son of Slam - 2007-11-21
You don't have to have the rights read immediately, only before questions are asked.

Ryo-Cokey - 2007-11-21
Nor do you have to explain what he's charged with immediately. Not for 24 hours, if memory serves.

Son of Slam - 2007-11-21
What's interesting is that I believe failure to sign could be grounds for an arrest; and if the cop explained things better (and told the guy how much over he was going) he could have de-escalated the situation.

Waiting for the Shitcock response.
Alfred Shitcock - 2007-11-21
I don't think much needs to be said, the video is self explanatory.

But I would like to say that they guy may have refused to sign because he thought signing would be an admission of guilt. It should have been explained to him that it was not.

When I was pulled over for speeding once, that was explained to me, though in that case I didn't really care cause I didn't intend to contest it knowing I was guilty.

DrVital - 2007-11-21
This is a lawsuit right here.
mantang0 - 2007-11-21
..and the home of the brave.
sosage - 2007-11-21
If I don't sign my ticket, does that mean it's invalid?

No, but not signing for a ticket in some states can lead to other charges. Signing for your ticket, merely means that you will pay the fine or plead not guilty and show up in court. If your name was spelled wrong, that could be used in court with other anomalies to introduce reasonable doubt in the officer's testimony. However, if all the information relevant to the stop is correct, a spelling error will not result in the dismissal of the charge(s).

from: http://www.speedingticketcentral.com/speeding-ticket-FAQ.html
the first link after googling "not signing speeding ticket"

Doesn't excuse the cop's use of force and not explaining that if he didn't sign it he'd be arrested. Also, what sort of initial reaction do cops expect when they point a weapon at someone? I mean besides acting totally cool and calm while rolling over like a dog.

Also, also, there is a point where your argument with a cop is clearly a lost cause. It sucks, but sometimes you're getting the ticket whether you like it or not. So save your breath.
remag2117 - 2007-11-21
What exactly where the cop's options when the man refused to cooperate with the arrest?

1.) Excuse the man's behavior and let the attempt at arrest slide.
2.) Use physical force to restrain the man, putting both at risk of long term injury (broken bones, sprains, etc).
3.) Use a device that inflicts a heavy amount of temporary pain with little to no risk of long term injury in order to restrain the resistee.

Seems like the cop did what he's supposed to.

Sean Robinson - 2007-11-21
Do you only deal with robots? There is an option 4: talking the guy down.

If you can't conceive of that possibility, you are - scientifically - fucking retarded.

You talk about normative protocals, completely ignoring that police officers also have normative protocals that in general are based on de-escalating conflicts in the most moderate way that is safely possible.

Cop is going to loss a lot of cash because of this, which is sort of awesome.

sosage - 2007-11-21
I don't know where the cop put his options. Up his ass?

Skills in basic tactfulness should be a required class.

remag2117 - 2007-11-21
Sean Robinson - See option 2. Note how "taking him down" leads to a greater result of injury to both parties than option 3. Note how that injury can possibly be long term. Note, therefore, how option 3 is a superior option.

Sean Robinson - 2007-11-21
As you fail to get this, a wasted effort:

You are presupposing that there has to be a physical altercation. Your options are either that the guy having a mildly loud reaction will need to either be beaten or tazed in order to calm down.

For you there is no spectrum between yelling and physically attacking or resisting the officer, save the autistic spectrum that ties these behaviours directly together in your piss-poor brain. If the cop had even the basic capability to calm the guy down, like would expect a peace officer to have, then he probably could have gotten the guy to sign the ticket. Instead, the cop is going to have to toss the whiny asshole a half-years worth of mortgage payments.

Lindner - 2007-11-21
When you SEE the police officer has his weapon drawn, follow his fucking instructions! It has nothing to do with your rights. It has to do with not getting shot.

The guy SAW the taser. Certainly, the cop overreacted, but the stupid fuck should not have walked off, ignoring the officer's instructions while a weapon was drawn.

futurebot - 2007-11-24
I hate to break this to you, remag, but the law is not something you can deduce based on SHEER LOGIC and your personal ideas about how humans interact. Go take a class and stop spamming this board with your pretend knowledge. Hint: in conflict situations, a cop's "options" do not legally involve a flowchart.

baleen - 2007-11-21

This cop isn't going to be getting any promotions. The cop just said the reason for the arrest was "shouting and whining." The whiny guy was right about not being read his rights, the cop was right about refusing to sign a ticket, but this was pretty incompetent police work that can probably get the officer in trouble if the whiner gets a decent lawyer.

How much do you want to bet that Officer Shockinaw just finished two tours of duty in Fallujah?
Ryo-Cokey - 2007-12-07
If you refuse to sign the ticket, they are supposed to arrest you. Signing the ticket acknowledges you were detained and replaces them arresting you for the offense at hand.

You don't sign the ticket, you take a trip with the cop down to the station.

Aernaroth2 - 2007-11-21
Tasers are the new billy clubs. Or are they the new sack of oranges, since they don't leave much of a mark?
Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2007-11-21
Should have tased the daughter too.
Kingofthehobos - 2007-11-21
just be glad you ain't polish smart ass
Becket - 2007-11-21
It is confirmed that an investigation is now underway due to this video being on Youtube.

Trooper Cameron Roden, a patrol spokesman. "We have an internal investigation going on. ... With it coming out on YouTube, we have expedited the investigation."

Green - 2007-11-22
Ahh, beautiful. So charming to see how even minute amounts of power can corrupt people.
Dicknuts - 2007-11-22
I see now that Milgram's conclusions never accounted for the fact that, apparently, people just love shocking the shit out of their fellow man.
Dinky Patterson - 2007-11-22
"He wanted to be in charge."
Monchiles Monchiles - 2007-11-22
At long last the "Police Brutality" tag is linked.
Scynne - 2007-11-22
Wow. Are most people police deal with this rude? If I was the cop I would have shot him with my damn pistol!
Dinky Patterson - 2007-11-22

themilkshark - 2007-11-22
If that guy was black he'd be dead on the side of the road. That pig thinks he's above the law.
jihadbaby - 2007-11-22
That pig is one pathetic, disgusting human being...
Spastic Avenger - 2007-11-22
I don't see a guy being a dick, unless not being a dick in america means not having a say in anything ever.
It's going to end up like antibiotics, where taser use becomes so ubiquitous it's no longer a deterrent.
boba. - 2007-11-22
-1 cause the wife and kid weren't tased
Lindner - 2007-11-22
I like the cut of your jib.

libby1217 - 2008-05-24
the cop totally lied when telling his story at the end. the guy definitely got this case thrown out 'cause the asshole cop didn't read him his rights. what a douche bag!
Magical Man from Happy-Land - 2008-07-02
Police don't have to read your rights unless they start questioning you.

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