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Desc:Evolutionary evidence that 'intelligent design' cannot even pretend to explain
Category:Science & Technology, Educational
Tags:Evolution, creationism, chromosomes, bevets, ken miller
Submitted:Smellvin
Date:02/19/08
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Comment count is 55
ProfessorChaos - 2008-02-19
Your average creationist isn't smart enough to understand this, sadly.
Xenocide - 2008-02-19
Just explain it like this: we looked in your DNA and found a note saying, "You came from monkeys LOL."

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2008-02-19
Dan Brown has sold more books than almost any author in the country.

Your average American doesn't understand the chemistry that goes into water evaporating.

coprolalia - 2008-02-19
Well if we came from monkeys how come there's still monkeys aroun'?
Explain that, Mr. College.

IrishWhiskey - 2008-02-19
Its like with dinosaur fossils. God put them there to test our faith. Same thing with the gays.

Caminante Nocturno - 2008-02-19
I enjoy imagining the fat woman from Jesus Camp watching this and her head sizzling from a combination of anger and confusion.
Syd Midnight - 2008-02-19
It would not make them cry. They'd just ignore it and go off on carbon dating or something. And sadly, DNA replication is way over the average person's head.
Dummy Rum - 2008-02-19
They already have a defense: we're like apes because God made both us and apes. Sure, it looks exactly like we evolved, but that's just proof of ID.

Scynne - 2008-02-19
human (homo)

And I'm not crying.
zatojones - 2008-02-19
But you are wrong. Just so you know that.

Whitewater5 - 2008-02-19
haha you're a creationist

kill yourself

Billy Buttsex - 2008-02-19
It's hard not being a god-hating, gay commie on this site, isn't it Scynne?

Don't listen to these clowns.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2008-02-19
Billy, maybe you'd be better off at FreeRepublic.com where you'd feel at home with other concrete thinkers.

zatojones - 2008-02-19
I don't hate God, I'm not a communist, and I'm not gay, yet none of these things change the fact that creationists are completely wrong.

Torture the Artist - 2008-02-19
you idiots are seriously why i'm embarrassed to self-identify as an atheist.

TIME TO MAKE SOME OLD PEOPLE WITH DEAD LOVED ONES CRY, BABY! I'M A 19 YEAR OLD PRICK AND EVERYONE WITH DIFFERENT BELIEFS THAN ME SHOULD COMMIT SUICIDE!

just fucking shut up. good lord, your opinion couldn't be less relevant or valued if it was a severed dick at the bottom of the sea.

Whitewater5 - 2008-02-19
i didn't say that i was an atheist or that grammas should eat their babies or whatever the fuck, simply that he's a creationist, that is hilarious and he should take his own life in shame. that's all.

CornOnTheCabre - 2008-02-19
i love how there are no actual creationist responses to this sort of hard evidence, only "eh, I choose not to be bothered by this. my opinions remain unchallenged." as if science were fucking trolling them or something.

Scynne - 2008-02-19
I'm not a scientist, and have no response to this. It is compelling evidence, I will readily admit. I do believe there to be a greater quantity of compelling evidence on the Intelligent Design side. Maybe that will change in a few years. Who knows.

Whitewater5 - 2008-02-19
you believe that becuase you're a complete imbecile and need to pull a Thich Quang Duc to cleanse the world of your wretched presence

Adramelech - 2008-02-19
A lot of Creationists do come from the viewpoint of science as a troll. A number of Creationist sites and articles aren't criticizing or countering scientific evidence, they're attacking the concept and processes of science itself like it's a dark art.

It's a unique combination of stupidity and blind faith, but basically there are millions of Creationists who could watch this video and think everything is "just made up". I know a person who "doesn't believe in" outer space for fuck's sake.

Cheese - 2008-02-19
"I do believe there to be a greater quantity of compelling evidence on the Intelligent Design side."

Name one piece of compelling scientific evidence for ID.

IrishWhiskey - 2008-02-19
Some things are hard to understand, or we can't yet explain, therefore God did it, and stop asking your heretical questions before we get a bonfire going.


Torture the Artist: Don't almost all old people have dead loved ones? And what the hell does that have to do with anything.

zatojones: Sorry, but Billy has spoken. You don't believe in evolution, you must be a commie queer.


takewithfood - 2008-02-19
I find it pretty sad when people feel so.. I'm going to go with "threatened" by creationists and intelligent design believers that they have to resort to name-calling and insults. Billy, Scynne and anyone else with views that glaringly don't match mine, I'm really happy to have you guys around.

Of course, my other pet peeve is when people say "I don't believe in evolution" as though it is something that requires belief. It is a principle, a scientific theory, like gravity; you either understand it or you don't. You can attempt to disbelieve it all you like, but it will still be there, being all evolutiony.

Likewise, it is moronic to try to prove or disprove the existence of God in any meaningful way. Though I can see how it might be comforting to have evidence to back up one's beliefs, true faith should never require any basis in fact.

FABIO2 - 2008-02-20
I would call campaigning to replace evolution with ID in schools to be a tad threatening.

Whitewater5 - 2008-02-20
man i sure enjoy having stupid wrong people around they really help the debate let me tell you

Torture the Artist - 2008-02-20
Irish Whiskey - it had to do with half the people here being edgy dumb fucks whose sole driving force in life is a need to SHOCK the RUBES. Jesus, look at the title of the fucking video.

Like I said, the idiots I was responding to, namely Whitewater, are goddamn embarrassments who are more concerned with making people feel bad about their faith than they are with actually having some kind of intelligent, informed opinion.

It's the difference between Paul Dirac the atheist and Trent Reznor the atheist, basically.

phalsebob - 2008-08-07
To be fair, whitewater is mocking a creationist, not a christian... creationists deserve to be mocked for their stupidity as do 9/11 truthers, scientoligists, flat earthers, et al.

And the idea that ID should be taught in public schools as a competing scientific theory with evolution is both stupid and dangerous. Teach it in private schools or in philosophy classes.

RomancingTrain - 2008-02-19
It fits almost too perfectly. . .
Wombles - 2009-05-01
We are being tested. Oh Lord forgive my doubts!

Title misleading though. Reason doesn't apply to those who believe in a magic sky man (or at least only in select cases).

Udderdude - 2008-02-19
And here I thought this would be a creationist breaking down in tears, in the face of irrefutable evidence. Oh well.
Millard - 2008-02-19
God made it this way to test your faith, heathens.
Rape Ex Machina - 2008-02-19
Great video, but 5 stars for the "bevets" tag.
RockBolt - 2008-02-19
See, now that is just damn cool
StanleyPain - 2008-02-19
This is interesting because I've always wondered what the explanation of the missing chromosomes was. Now I know.
Nifty.
zatojones - 2008-02-19
DEVIL'S GOT AHOLD OF YOU NOW!

Ahriman the Creepy Lurker - 2008-02-19
I would have Kenneth Miller's manbabies.
voodoo_pork - 2008-02-19
What's the scientific word for "OH SNAP"?
Ahriman the Creepy Lurker - 2008-02-19
QED

tamago - 2008-02-24
What are you? Some sort of big literary fag?

rulestein - 2008-02-19
In case you did not watch it through to the end, this guy believes in ID.

Even he realises that either you believe in ID or you believe this sentence wrote itself.
Whitewater5 - 2008-02-19
if you're going to stretch the definition of "ID" to "belief in a hands-off cosmic agency that works through evolution and other natural processes towards some purpose over the course of billions of years" then i suppose that's true but i doubt it's a definition your average ID bumblefuck would accept

Whitewater5 - 2008-02-19
oh and by "that" i mean "that he believes in ID"

as for your second point i personally don't see much intelligence behind its design soooooo

positively - 2008-02-19
Believing in a designer =/= believing in ID. ID is a specific theory that is incompatible with evolution.

Gojira1000 - 2008-02-20
Great clip - and nice to see a religious scientist who understands that evolution and belief in a big beardy guy in heaven are not mutually exclusive concepts, but that ID is a clusterfuck of indefensible bullshit. Yay!

Severian - 2008-02-20
He believes in God. Many types of theism are compatible with evolutionary theory.

ID argues (poorly and unscientifically) that evolutionary theory is wrong, but is not a scientific theory.

kelpfoot - 2008-05-20
The guy in the clip is Ken Miller.

Ken Miller believes in God.

Ken Miller is adamantly opposed to intelligent design, which explains why he was the lead expert witness for the plaintiffs in Kitzmiller v. Dover.

Saying that Ken Miller believes in ID is either a hilarious lie or a symptom of severe mental retardation.

crote - 2008-02-19
Interesting on it's own merits, not just because of the eff you ID angle.

This was apparently part of a longer presentation at Case Western. YouTube has the whole two hour talk up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg
j lzrd / swift idiot - 2008-06-29
Oh. I got here late to the party, again.


Belief in God is just fine and dandy with me, as long as it doesn't get in the way of the pursuit of truth; after all, eventually, some benevolent intelligent form of life is going to have to fill The Empty Throne, and I nominate our little fledgling species, out of pure spite at the Quiet Universe.
petep - 2008-10-02
and he didn't personally insult a single priest!
kingofthenothing - 2009-01-16
Informative video, but it's not going to stop the next Dark Ages from happening.
Prickly Pete - 2009-02-05
It's funny that people who liked this also liked "Watch it shred: sofa". Go figure.
fluffy - 2009-09-02
Unfortunately, this doesn't address intelligent design. ID is the theory that evolution has been directed by a supreme being, and none of this evidence refutes that possibility - ID would say that the "designer" decided that the apes had too many chromosomes and directed them to mere together.

The thing is that ID is not a theory at all, because there is no way to test it. Evolution is a theory, because it is testable, and this video shows exactly how they went about testing it and thus providing more evidence for it.
fluffy - 2010-03-21
also what's with slides in COMIC SANS

Camonk - 2010-06-27
I like science and hate creationism. But the POETV title was written by a smug asshole.
Vicious - 2010-12-25
Step on his corns!

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