There comes a point in every violation of human rights by law enforcement where the cop has to decide, "Am I going to go all the way with this and cave the fucker's head in with a truncheon?" Generally they choose yes, and get a week's suspension with pay.

Hero. Debate's over.

Those people are supposed to be working for *you*. Sometimes they need to be reminded of it.

My vote goes for a douchebag, but somewhat heroic one.

Yeah. Plainly a hero. He knows his rights and he doesn't let anyone use a badge intimidate him into giving them up. In America that's the very definition of hero.

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I dunno.. a rule of mine is that the difference between insanity and creativity is that the creative can act normal when the cops show up.

I'd like to think he's a hero, but he was just BEGGING for it. He was being an asshole. An asshole making a point is still an asshole. Would it have KILLED him to show her his ID? Was he detained? What did he prove besides "border patrol agents will respect your privacy and not taser you for being an incredibly obnoxious ass, which pretty much makes them useless"?

There's a lot of ways to show that this is a worthless show of pseudo-fascist govt. force, but I was cheering for him to get tasered, so this is not a good one.

He's a douchebag. But at least he using he douchebagness in a good way.

In theory, Syd, what he proved was that the border patrol didn't have the right to detain him, making the whole 'checkpoint' superfluous. You want these people stopping and searching you because they feel like it, with no legal precedent to do so? Without telling Joe Average he has the right to just truck on through? I have to imagine that given the proper set of circumstances, the freakin' border patrol can utilize force, or call upon people who can -- making this then, NOT the proper set of circumstances. Y'dig?

I mean, it wouldn't have killed him to show her his ID, sure, but, like, you shouldn't need to show an ID to exist anywhere. Sure you need to show one to drive, but this was a different matter entirely.

Actually, Cleaner, the border patrol can stop and search you when you pass through a border checkpoint without probable cause, just. Unlike the drug/alcohol checkpoints you'll see the highway cops set up, the Supreme court has ruled that the border patrol has more freedom in those circumstances.

People that understand their rights are clearly douchebags. lawl

A useful douchebag.

At 1:03 she tells him that he's not being detained, but he keeps asking away.

Also, I could barely hear her when he was talking to her through the window at the beginning, so I doubt she could clearly make out what he was saying before he rolled it down.

Well my reasoning goes like this 666, and admittedly I have NONE of the facts here, so poke holes as you see fit. I'm going only as far as my feeble grasp of logic will take me. Border goon stops motorist. Border goon asks motorist for various things and to do various things. Motorist obeys none of these requests, repeatedly asks if he's being detained, finally recieving a 'no'. Now it seems to me that if the border goon had the right to demand his cooperation, she would have, and it seems to me that if all those people that had been stopped were aware that they were within their rights not to cooperate, they may not have.

That's the reason we have Miranda rights, so that people are aware exactly what they do and do not have to do in the eyes of the law. Am I wrong?

He's voting Ron Paul.

Well, Cleaner, I was just referringto your comment on border patrol and searches. Regarding this video, there is no search occuring so that is kind of a non-issue.

He wasn't just ambling through a border checkpoint, he was asking.. BEGGING to be martyred. He wanted to be a Hero so bad, he came off like an agitprop jackass. Nice "camera noises" to make it all seem so casual.

He could have talked about the laws and project and who voted for it, but instead begged to get tasered. Reminds me of the kinda dick who gets into fights with a gas station attendant over the price of gas.

It's not that chick's FAULT. Being a massive prick to cops is not a constructive way to protest unjust govt. programs, it just makes you feel like Mr Turner Diary hero. And in the end, he begged to be abused as hard as he could, but they let him go. Whatever cause he's championing, he came off like an utter fuckolio.

Heroic douchebag. Knew what he was there to do and stuck to his guns.

Never said it was the border goon's *fault*, being simply a tiny cog in a massive machine, as are we all to some degree. But you can't be afraid to assert your rights just because, oh gee whiz she looks like a swell lady, yeah search away. Wouldn't want to hurt her feelings after all.

He wasn't begging to be tasered, he was asserting his rights in a highly annoying and douchebaggy way. People are so worried about not offending the guy that's searching their butthole for contraband that they forget they're being violated. Or they just hope that if they're really nice, he won't hit colon.

Hero and anyone who says different can leave right now for a communist country.

Enjoy's America: Agree with me or you are a communist! Yeah man! Fuck yeah! Since I'm already in a communist country, I can say this guy's a douche.

Douchebag.


After putting her through that he didn't thank her for being a good sport and not caving his head in with something.

He's a complete douche, and not useful for anything other than pissing people off. Border agents can be jackasses too, I know that for a fact, but what exactly is systematically wrong with what they do?

I'd give it +3 stars if she had a thick rural Canadian accent, and went all Trailer Park Boys on his smart-ass.

On second thought, fuck +3, that'd be 5 straight stars right there.

And that's why I'm going with douchebag.

That girl was doing her job (whatever it is). I've been flagged down by the police while I was walking on the sidewalk because I fit the profile of someone they were looking for (more than likely, because I had a bandana on and hadn't shaved in a few days). I wasn't being detained, but I also wasn't stupid enough to assume there was a vast, malevolent conspiracy to grind down my civil freedoms on a millstone (and even if there was, the grunts themselves wouldn't be partaking). I co-operated, I was shortly on my way, and a couple police cops got to not absolutely loathe their jobs for a bit.

Also, the only way to stand up against civil rights violations is to take it to the grunts.

Can we have sex?

So how many times can they stop you before you are allowed to complain?

They stop me every time I go through a check point (hence why it is a check point). I find if I treat them like a human being and be nice I can get through with minimal delay. However if I had the douche bag in the clip in front of me I would be delayed as I waited for them to sort him out before I could play nice guy and get through in seconds.

The people who join the ranks of Homeland Security aren't exactly your first string sort of people. However they feel they have a job to do protecting America and all that. My job is to minimize my time spent with them. I find I can accomplish both our goals most efficiently by being nice to them and joking (when appropriate). I get through quickly and they feel they've done their job protecting us from terrorists, drug smugglers and illegal aliens.

To whoever calls this guy a hero, think about all the other people behind him who he is delaying with his libertarian antics.

Oh man, somebody was inconvenienced by a guy exercising his rights? That must have been terrible.

Man, I would be pissed if I didn't make it to McDonald's before they quit serving breakfast just because some asshole wouldn't let the lowest person on the totem pole rummage through his stuff baselessly.

God what kind of world do we live in

Wait a second...when did checkpoints with ID checks in this country become a normal everyday thing to see? The only checkpoints I have ever run into involve the CHP asking "have you been drinking? No. Goodbye."

Also. A double douche that knows his rights, trying to convince the world he is a hero.

It proves that you still have rights under the US Constitution.

Have a nice day!

Yeah but did you see how uncomfortable and confused she looked? I don't think the founding fathers meant for our rights to make a government employee feel that way.

That's her fault, government employees aren't supposed to have any emotions. It's in their job discriptions.

Yeah why wasn't this man being nice to his government overlords who were trying to illegaly question him?

Exactly. Fucking exactly.

He did know his rights.

Are you upset that he exercised them?

Which right was he asserting? Which right was the officer violating?

Depends. Where they intending to search his car?

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