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Desc:The famous exchange that ended a shameful moment in US history
Category:Classic TV Clips, News & Politics
Tags:Goosebumps, Joe McCarthy, Joseph Welch, decency, Coulters nightmare
Submitted:asian hick
Date:07/05/08
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ztc
McCarthy would have made an awesome telesales rep. "BWUHM MUHM WUHM MWAUHM MUH MWUHM MWAHUM MWUM MWUHM MWAHM MWUHM BWAHM MUHM MWAHM" yes yes whatever you want just PLEASE STOP TALKING
asian hick
I think he would have made an even better pundit. When he gets called out he keeps trying to retreat back to his initial attack even when it's long since become irrelevant.

It reminded me a lot of the Chris Matthews/Kevin James interview on this site somewhere when James gets challenged on appeasement. Maybe on second thought he wouldn't have made such a great pundit.

kelpfoot
Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never engage an old Southern country lawyer in a battle of rhetoric!

Cleaner82
I've only ever read the transcript. Good stuff. Not too long ago, lest we forget.
ChocFullOfFunk
Yeah, I'm always weirded out by how recently all this happened.

Blaise
The greatest service to this country is that of private citizen.

Citizen. Civics. Civility.
Meerkat
These days, McCarthy would have just said: "No, go fuck yourself."

And the republicans would rejoice, counting this as a good, solid point.
buttnutt
and the democrats wouldve took it and done like usual

Desidiosus
These days they don't bother with the unsubstantiated accusations. They just detain people indefinitely without charge.

CornOnTheCabre
i would actually consider this a much more respectable retort than half the shit McCarthy 2000s have been spewing to cover their asses.

asian hick
This is an amazing video.

In a little over ten minutes, Joe McCarthy goes from being a smug bully making a childish and dishonest (the state of the National Lawyers Guild as a Communist organization was still being debated when this took place and they agreed before the hearings not to bring it up) taunt to a confused and probably drunk man blindsided by the round of applause Welch received for telling him to go fuck himself.

You can even tell Roy Cohn realized it was a turning point by his reaction. I'm guessing McCarthy was too dumb, arrogant and/or drunk to figure it out.
Jeff Fries
Maybe next someone can post a Trix commercial and we can all talk about how they really truly are for kids.
ztc
'TWAS in the year of 1746, on a fine summer afternoon,
When trees and flowers were in full bloom,
That widow Riddel sat knitting stockings on a little rustic seat,
Which her only son had made for her, which was very neat.

The cottage she lived in was in the wilds of Nithsdale,
Where many a poor soul had cause to bewail
The loss of their shealings, that were burned to the ground,
By a party of fierce British dragoons that chanced to come round.

While widow Riddel sat in her garden she heard an unusual sound,
And near by was her son putting some seeds into the ground,
And as she happened to look down into the little strath below
She espied a party of dragoons coming towards her very slow.

And hearing of the cruelties committed by them, she shook with fear.
And she cried to her son, "Jamie, thae sodgers are coming here!"
While the poor old widow's heart with fear was panting,
And she cried, "Mercy on us, Jamie, what can they be wanting?"

Next minute the dragoons were in front of the cottage door,
When one of them dismounted, and loudly did roar,
"Is there any rebels, old woman, skulking hereabouts?"
"Oh, no, Sir, no! believe my word without any doubts."

"Well, so much the better, my good woman, for you and them;
But, old girl, let's have something to eat, me, and my men":
"Blithely, sir, blithely! ye're welcome to what I hae,"
When she bustled into the cottage without delay.

And she brought out oaten cakes, sweet milk, and cheese,
Which the soldiers devoured greedily at their ease,
And of which they made a hearty meal,
But, for such kind treatment, ungrateful they did feel.

Then one of the soldiers asked her how she got her living:
She replied, "God unto her was always giving;
And wi' the bit garden, alang wi' the bit coo,
And wi' what the laddie can earn we are sincerely thankfu'."

To this pitiful detail of her circumstances the villain made no reply,
But drew a pistol from his holster, and cried, "Your cow must die!"
Then riding up to the poor cow, discharged it through her head,
When the innocent animal instantly fell down dead.

Not satisfied with this the merciless ruffian leaped the little garden wall,
And with his horse trod down everything, the poor widow's all,
Then having finished this barbarous act of direst cruelty,
The monster rejoined his comrades shouting right merrily:

"There, you old devil, that's what you really deserve,
For you and your rascally rebels ought to starve";
Then the party rode off, laughing at the mischief that was done,
Leaving the poor widow to mourn and her only son.

When the widow found herself deprived of her all,
She wrung her hands in despair, and on God did call,
Then rushed into the cottage and flung herself on her bed,
And, with sorrow, in a few days she was dead.

And, during her illness, her poor boy never left her bedside,
There he remained, night and day, his mother's wants to provide,
And make her forget the misfortunes that had befallen them,
All through that villainous and hard-hearted party of men.

On the fourth day her son followed her remains to the grave.
And during the burial service he most manfully did behave,
And when the body was laid in the grave, from tears he could not refrain,
But instantly fled from that desolated place, and never returned again.

Thirteen years after this the famous battle of Minden was fought
By Prince Ferdinand against the French, who brought them to nought;
And there was a large body of British horse, under Lord George Sackville,
And strange! the widow's son was at the battle all the while.

And on the evening after the battle there were assembled in a tavern
A party of British dragoons, loudly boasting and swearing,
When one of them swore he had done more than any of them--
A much more meritorious action-- which he defied them to condemn .

"What was that, Tam, what was that, Tam?" shouted his companions at once.
"Tell us, Tam; tell us, Tam, was that while in France?"
"No!" he cried, "it was starving an old witch, while in Nithsdale,
By shooting her cow and riding down her greens, that is the tale."

"And don't you repent it?" exclaimed a young soldier, present.
"Repent what?" cried the braggart; "No! I feel quite content."
"Then, villain!" cried the youth, unsheathing his sword,
"That woman was my mother, so not another word!

"So draw, and defend yourself, without more delay,
For I swear you shall not live another day!"
Then the villain sprang to his feet, and a combat ensued,
But in three passes he was entirely subdued.

Young Riddell afterwards rose to be a captain
In the British service, and gained a very good name
For being a daring soldier, wherever he went,
And as for killing the ruffian dragoon he never did repent.

Honest Abe
are you perhaps a bouncer

Cleaner82
This is one of American history's greatest filmed moments. What the fuck do you want PoE to give you Jeff, a blowjob? Because it can't Jeff, it can't.

Repomancer
Fuck you in the nose, Jeff buddy.

RomancingTrain
Jesus fucking shit, Jeff. What are you even trying to say here?

Aubrey McFate
I was starting to like you, Jeff. And now that's gone. Gone forever.

The wind will blow through autumn leaves, a lone swallow left behind will sing a mournful song, and you, Mr. Fries, will be reminded of just how much of a cock-sucking faggot you are.

Good night.

Jeff Fries
There's a difference between posting a clip of historical interest and putting up a sacred cow and expecting the whole community to show up and prove what good citizens they are by pledging their fielty. Maybe if this weren't part of a general trend on this site of people assuring one another that we're all good moral liberal human beings in this community aren't we, I might give it a fair rating. I remember when the comment window was for posting a quip, not huffing each other's farts.

asian hick
This clip is plenty inspiring but the most important fact is, as Cleaner82 noted, its impact as a video clip. In case you aren't familiar, this is considered the watershed moment when television changed politics forever.

McCarthy had a lot of support when he was just a Patriot Battling Communism that people read about in the paper. But with TV, even watching this 12 minutes, you grow to hate McCarthy. The contrast between his personality and rhetoric and Welch's is what destroyed the man.

Welch's words are beautiful and they give me goosebumps, but there's plenty else happening in the video. I'm not asking for a Gold Star or whatever, but it's an important point to make.

Cleaner82
I know Jeff, we all miss the cat videos. But there's more coming I'm sure.

Xenocide
More stars than the human mind can conceive of.
RomancingTrain
I can conceive of about 19 more stars than that.

citrusmirakel
The "decency" tag is unlinked currently.

This is, I think, a very strong statement about Portal of Evil in general.
The Mothership
goosebumps is fucking right.
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