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Desc:Barack Obama's tax plan is going to be about 'fairness'
Category:News & Politics
Tags:Barack, Hussien, Obama Socialism Communism
Submitted:Cena_mark
Date:09/14/08
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Comment count is 49
baleen

I vote that all obama tags are immediately renamed Obama Socialism Communism.
simon666
aye aye!

Merzbau
Jesus Christ, Cena, you are a piece of work, you know that?
Rodents of Unusual Size
What, no nigger tag?
Randroid
Hussien the Hessian made it though.

Pittrivers
I don't even need to watch this video to know that Cena_mark is a manchild.
Camonk
That's awesome let's take all the money rich people make and use it to build schools and museums and hospitals!

I'm not being sarcastic. Let's do that.
Binro the Heretic
Unfortunately, the majority of their money is imaginary. It's not like they have a big Scrooge McDuck style vault full of cash.

Their fortunes mostly exist as potential money. So we can't just take it and do what we want with it.

Camonk
Look, man, it wasn't going to happen anyway so why'd you have to ruin it for me? How many kids did you stop today to say oh hey Santa Claus isn't real and one day your mommy and daddy will be dead?

Jesus. I'm gonna go get wasted now. Thanks for the drinking problem, Binro.

SolRo
I'm not 5 staring this idiots submissions unless he does an impotent rage youtube rant dubbed over the video.
glendower
Making sure the rich pay the same proportion in taxes as other people? Come on Mr. Obama! This is America!! Cena and the rest of the attack machine: go back and hit the books. You don't know what socialism is.
nocash
How much do you make a year, Cena_Mark?
Hooper_X
Better question - how much money do his parents make?

seriouslyuguys
http://www.alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

CornOnTheCabre
what the fuck is so EVIL AND SOCIALIST about saying that rich people should have to pay taxes

seriously, someone please explain this to me
Udderdude
Why do you hate America?

IrishWhiskey
Taxes are redistribution of wealth. Communism is redistribution of wealth. Therefore anyone who says they want to raise taxes is a socialist commie. We should eliminate all government programs except the military, which will be paid for by tax cuts to the wealthy, due to the trickle-down hand of the market.

I've taken an Econ course, read Ayn Rand, and watch Mad Money all the time, so I know what I'm talking about.

Desidiosus
So if you cut taxes on the middle class and raise taxes on the poor, does that make you a Commie-Nazi?

IrishWhiskey
Of course not. The poor should pay a greater percentage in taxes because they don't contribute to society as much as the wealthy do.

CornOnTheCabre
lol Mad Money

i love that show, watching it for financial advice is like watching MANswers for marital advice

waxeater
Fuck fairness!
FABIO2
Can we just condense all the right wing talking point gimmick posters into one entity? It's getting hard to keep track.
HarrietTubmanPI
Because we all know Western Europe is just a third world cesspool due to Socialism.
themilkshark
Maybe all voters should be required to live one week on minimum wage.
KnowFuture
At least half the dick Billy Buttsex is supposed to eat now goes to Cena.
simon666
cena_mark, you need to read the flat tax plan by the conservative think tank the hoover institute. one of their main points is about fairness. the more fair a tax plan, the more people pay taxes, as opposed to cheating at them, because they don't feel they are getting an unfair shake. also in that scenario, it costs less on enforcement of tax law when more people are paying their taxes.


IrishWhiskey
The flat tax is a reasonable suggestion if its also coupled with the elimination of the sales tax, property taxes, and many forms of subsidies, rebates and closed loopholes. Otherwise its regressive.

More of the taxes poor and middle-class Americans pay come from income and sales taxes than with the wealthy. The top 1% pay a higher income tax, but less of their wealth is subject to the income tax anyway. Having all income tax levels equal actually results in the poor paying a much greater percentage of their money toward taxes than the rich.

Then there's also the fact that loopholes and subsidies through the tax code won't realistically be eliminated either, as its politically popular to provide individual reductions to groups. Its also naive to think evading taxes will go down if the tax form is "fairer" (enforcement and mistakes might improve though), especially when dealing with companies and individuals with private tax specialists. Also, the enforcement costs of tax collecting are fairly insignificant when compared to the other monetary changes brought about by a flat tax shift.

Then there's also the significant argument as to whether we want to provide equal treatement to struggling families as to prospering ones. When an innate role of government is to assist in the well-being of the society, is it truly "fair" to provide the same level of help to a student burdened with debt as to Donald Trump?

IrishWhiskey
You know what? That was too long.

Feel free to ignore and mock.

simon666
the actual flat tax by the hoover institute is fully comprehensive and addresses the points you've raised. most people make the mistake of assuming 'flat tax' means one tax 'bracket' when in fact the flat tax plan is, as mentioned, fully comprehensive.

consider yourself mocked!

erratic
So under the conservative tax plans, the government takes in more money... Doesn't that mean that under the liberal tax plan where the govt takes in less money, the people get to keep more of it? I don't understand how "more tax revenue for the govt" is seen as a positive talking point for conservatives...don't they want the govt to have LESS of our money?

seriously, someone explain how this makes any sense
simon666
please just read the book. it's online in pdf if you don't wish to buy it:

http://www.hoover.org/publications/books/3602666.html

and allow me to qualify my position. socially liberal, economically responsible with the understanding that going into debt is appropriate at times.

erratic
okaaaaaay, I'm aware of the flat tax, just not how it applies to my question. I mean, I'm willing to read a whole book, but if you could just make it simple and tell me how it applies, I'd be super gratefull

baleen

Flat tax would be fine if rich people actually voluntarily paid for social services that are required, but they don't, so fuck off.

baleen

Sorry, that was a little excessive.

simon666
erratic: conversations like these go better when people have a full understanding of the topic as opposed to knowing the bullet points. but, i'll just say over simplisticly that more tax revenue comes into the government from a spurred economy, less money is spent on enforcement, and more people end up paying taxes at a lower rate.

in the second edition of the flat tax plan book they give examples of other countries who have implemented their plan after it was released originally in the early 80s, that confirms their original hypothesis.

baleen

You have certainly put an enormous amount of faith in the Hoover Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Of course the flat tax is "easy to comprehend," that is what it is intended to do. And yes, those nations that have recently instituted a flat tax have experienced enormous growth (and a widening gap between the rich and poor), but that's completely because after the fall of the Iron Curtain nobody was paying any taxes and there were no proper incentives or institutions with which to collect and manage revenue.

Read this too:

http://www.chrishayes.org/articles/what-we-learn-when-we-learn -economics/


The flat tax would fundamentally redistribute wealth in a way that scares me. If we are to believe that the wealthy will use their profits to satisfy the societal needs of the poor (health care, higher education, disaster recovery, etc.) I'd like to see evidence of that outside of Warren Buffet, who is an extreme case (since he still kept a measly 15 billion to toy around with). Buffett was also attacked by the likes of George Will, who feel that reinvesting in the economy helps the poor more than feeble charity.

StanleyPain
You guys are wasting your breath. It's like a mouthbreathing fucktard like cena understands anything having to do with:
Taxes and Taxation.
Socialism.
Communism.
Anything economics.
StanleyPain
Or, I should say, it's NOT like he understands. Duh.

NoCode
Yeah, because god forbid that people who make more money should pay more taxes.

Cena, you are a prancing faggort.
futurebot
If only Obama were the crypto-socialist everyone wishes he were.
Maggot Brain
There must be something wrong with me. This just made me want to vote for him.
GiantAtomicFreak
Hey, I just heard that if elected Obama plans to change the national anthem to "Zulu War Chant" by Afrika Bambaataa.

Please fwd this to a billion of your fucking idiot friends.
The McK
Oh lord if only.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf9k2dq347I

Harveyjames
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT OBAMA, AND INDEED ANY BLACK PERSON, IS REALLY THINKING?



minimalist
A: HIS BIG OL' BLACK LIPS MOVE

TeenerTot
I own a small business. In my eyes, I took quite a hit in taxes last year. (No real comparitive data, I just know it really hurt.)
And you know what? I might be willing to continue paying these taxes if the government was using the money well. I'm just sick from the thought that my money went to a pay-off of some clan warlord in iraq, who then promptly broke whatever secret treaty that money was supposed to buy.

Yeah, a little off-topic. Sorry.
almo
patriotactfisawarfunding

excellent trolling btw

almo
oh, i didn't mean to respond to you

but wow, if you think your ebony messiah will end government corruption :/

Princess v2.1
All government is inherently socialist, retard
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