|Knuckles - 2008-10-09 |
So how long until DMKA or some other faggot comes mincing through here with a one-star rating and a comment that just says "anime"?
I know, right? For once it wasn't like Grandma's slideshow of her trip to the Hiroshima detonation.
Any animes on the firebombing of Tokyo? That would be pretty moving since it made the London Blitz look downright friendly, and Dresden look downright normal.
Genghis the gerbil
Grave of the Fireflies features a fairly hardcore firebombing scene near the beginning, if that's what you're looking for.
|Binro the Heretic - 2008-10-09 |
Welcome to the atomic age. :(
|Gill_Sans - 2008-10-09 |
Also, let's look for animes about Japan's wacky wartime exploits.
Like the 'Surprise-Sex' of Nanking.
Shit at least we did our indiscriminate civilian impersonally! That has to account for something.
|TeflonDoc - 2008-10-09 |
Aww, Major Kong... Why you gotta do a thing? :(
|RocketBlender - 2008-10-09 |
That kid needs some RadAway.
|B. Weed - 2008-10-09 |
Is this Barefoot Gen?
|Aelric - 2008-10-09 |
I'm a bit of an odd duck, I know, but I have a strange a personal fear of nukes. It fucks with me knowing that the Professor Evil Doomsday Device really does exist and is in the possesion of some less than stable folks (including ourselves). If ever science made a true blunder and went to far, this was it.
|RockBolt - 2008-10-09 |
I'm glad I watched that before bed
|petep - 2008-10-09 |
AND SO, MILLIONS OF LIVES WERE SAVED.
|fourthguy - 2008-10-09 |
|Comeuppance - 2008-10-10 |
Call me a nitpicking son of a bitch, but this film immediately lost all emotional potential when the A-Bomb became the Eye-Melt-O-Tron with Decapitation Action.™
What actually happens is harrowing and ghastly enough. No need to exaggerate it.
Actually, I remember in the book Hiroshima by John Hersey, which was a collection of interviews from survivors done shortly after the blast, one that especially scarred me for life was of a man who described finding a group of soldiers sitting in a daze along a road - "twenty men...their eye sockets were hollow, the fluid from their eyes had run down their cheeks"
you're right in that the eyeballs didn't melt like they were made of wax, in reality they boiled off and exploded
Why did they have to white wash the boiling and exploded nature?
Yeah, it was pretty bad news for the air defense crews who were keeping their eyes on the sky.. I think some even spotted the parachute of the Bomb itself in the last moments.
Rape Van Winkle
The punchline was that there had been an air raid warning earlier in the morning, advising people to take shelter. When only three b-29s were sighted, it was assumed they were doing reconnaissance, and the warning was called off. The bomb dropped within an hour.
|garcet71283 - 2008-10-10 |
Remember kids...we (Allies) were the aggressors.
Japan was merely defending itself.
The firebombing of Tokyo killed more than Hiroshima, and the idea was that with the option between house-to-house combat with civilians and showing off our new superweapon in order to end the war, the expected loss of life was less between Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together. If anything it's probably best that we saw the true horrors of nuclear warfare on two cities, rather than first see it in mass warfare.
It's not that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were truly justified, or right, but rather that we have learned from what happened, and no nuke has been used in war since.
Obviously, one could bring up the rape on nanking, but then we're just arguing an eye for an eye.
Oh shit it's almost like Whitewater5 doesn't know what he's talking about!
The comment Whitewater just made might be one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
hmmm Ageusiatic, factually unsubstantiated exhausted platitudes? well golly gee am i convinced
The Great Hippo
In context, it's very clear now that the only reason Truman's administration nuked the shit out of them is to show Russia we were willing to fuck them in the ear, and possibly as a final swing for Pearl Harbor.
It's certainly not the greatest mass murder in history, but it's definitely another example of civilians dying so that a government can pursue its diplomatic and political agenda. Whether you think that's justifiable, that's what it is.
4 stars for eyeballs melting.
The Great Hippo
Actually, rereading up on the subject again (it's been years since I've read on anything in this sector) and it looks like there might be evidence that goes directly against that. One thing was clear: Truman was withholding crucial information about his decision. Since there was clamoring among the Japanese leadership for a surrender, this information was always assumed to have been the imminence of Japan's surrender.
But, blah blah blah, point is, after reading a little about it, I'm not so sure there's really a historical consensus anymore (if there ever was). So, uh, forget I said anything. Fuck!
There were some elements of the Japanese government and military willing to surrender before we dropped the bombs, but even they were not willing to surrender unconditionally and wanted to retain the majority of the Japanese imperial apparatus after the war. Given that that apparatus started the war in the first place it could not be allowed to continue. Regardless the idea of actual surrender was in many minds completely unthinkable. Even after the Emperor himself announced surrender there was an attempt at a coupe by the military because they just could not believe that their god king would willfully accept defeat. The only thing that could end that war was total and absolute destruction of the mindset that helped start it: namely that the Japanese people were superior in all ways to everyone else and that they had not just a right but a responsibility to conquer all of Asia. We could have either done that through a massive invasion of Japan or by hoping that the atomic bomb would be the final persuasion they needed to quit. I'm glad they chose the latter.
Some argue that nukes are the only reason the world hasn't yet torn itself to pieces
So you can trace all this and WW2 back to castes of nationalistic far-right leaders who felt that the only way to secure a healthy national future was by using the military to overthrow the governments of unfriendly countries in the name of patriotism and security.
Sounds familiar. Just make sure none of them have nukes!
|Albuquerque Halsey - 2008-10-10 |
Needs "needs Yakety Sax" tag
|Caminante Nocturno - 2008-10-10 |
At least Oppenheimer's sorry.
|Unmerciful Crushing Force - 2008-10-10 |
On the bright side, a little nuclear holocaust was all we needed for Japan to go batshit crazy on the safe side and just make lots of a crazy, cute and cute crazy shit.
|wtf japan - 2008-10-10 |
Aw shucks, Japan. We were just aiming at Aioi bridge, we didn't actually hit it. Thanks for the credit, though.
You goobers, getting all choked up by the exaggerated obliteration of barely-human caricatures. Compared to Grave of the Fireflies, this is downright hilarious.
Whitewater5 is to whimperingly snide platitudes about war what Tinmaniac is to cat videos or DKMA is to anime clips.
Barefoot Gen is worth watching. It's got a pretty optimistic message. Grave of the Fireflies is as fun as watching two children die for two hours.
|DopeFiend - 2008-10-10 |
We feel relief that the Cold War is over, or worry over small suitcase nukes in the hands of terrorists. Meanwhile, literally thousands of missiles wait in their bunkers, pointed at cities around the world, including the city where you live. Not that it matters whose cities they're pointed at; we let fly a few of those babies and this planet will rapidly become uninhabitable (think of the global effects of a major volcanic eruption, multiplied exponentially). Bear in mind that the people who control these weapons generally think of them as big sticks of dynamite for killing bad guys/bringing about the Rapture. If human history teaches us anything, it's that people with powerful weapons will eventually find circumstances that require their use.
Unless this situation changes radically, how many more generations will we last?
I am more afraid of nuclear war than anything else I can imagine, though on the balance I do have way more nightmares about zombies.
Yes, Oswald, everything will be fine.
|mouser - 2008-10-10 |
|mr666 - 2008-10-10 |
You know, after seeing the title I was fully eager to give this one star, like 9/10 of anime deserves. After viewing it though, I don't think I can.
|major-_-turnon - 2008-10-10 |
Saw this a while ago, forgot what it was from. Thanks and fuck you for reminding me.
|ztc - 2008-10-10 |
The scene directly after this when Gen runs home to his family is the really disturbing bit.
|BOOSH - 2008-10-10 |
What movie is this from?
Barefoot Gen. Another of the massively depressing and bleak post-A-Bomb anime/manga genre.
|fluffy - 2008-10-10 |
Did the people in the immediate heat blast have enough time to feel pain and realize what was happening as they died? I'm thinking the first group of deaths would have simply ceased to be without any chance to suffer.
Not that it degrades the horror or anything.
Yeah, the ones in the open close to ground zero would have been vaporized. The lucky ones. :(
Plenty suffered before they died.
The explosion was an air blast, so no one died 'instantly' but would have been burning alive from a fraction up to a couple seconds depending on distance from the hypocenter, before the shockwave reached them.
Possibly the only painless deaths happened to people indoors behind enough walls and floors (the infrared radiation went through one wall easy) to be protected from the heat until the shockwave and debris crushed them.
No one was 'vaporized', 4000 degrees celceus for a couple seconds doesn't do that. The shockwave simply swept away charred corpses near the hypocenter and between the speed of the winds and all the debris generated little would remain to be identified as remains even before the post explosion fires started.
|BA - 2008-10-11 |
I feel queasy.
|FABIO2 - 2008-10-11 |
|Xenocide - 2008-10-13 |
That mom and her baby won't be endangering freedom anymore!
Shut the fuck up you silly bitch. You have no idea of what war is really about and you should go get skull-fucked by a biker.
|Big Beef Burritos Supreme - 2008-11-23 |
At least they died quicker than the kids at Unit 731.
|Hooper_X - 2009-01-14 |
Maybe you'll ask me to come back again, and maybe I'll say maybe.
|SixDigitDebt - 2009-03-16 |
There are no five stars big enough for the unintentional Wile E. Coyote plummeting off a cliff sound effect.
|William Burns - 2009-04-07 |
Don't mess with Texas.
|1394 - 2009-04-08 |
Suck it, Japan!
|ABoyNamedCheese - 2009-05-01 |
A short history of japan by an unqualified non-historian:
Samurais, A-Bomb, Pokemon.
I dont think I left anything out.
|ashtar. - 2010-05-25 |
5 more for the SERIOUS POE-LITICAL DEBATE in the comments than the clip itself. Pretty much every anime I've ever seen features some sort of massive, blinding nuke-ish explosion, so just made me think that america transformed into a super-saiyan.
Oh, and if I would also like to recommend reading Herman Khan's "On Thermonuclear War" or else shutting the fuck up.
|Vicious - 2011-02-18 |
Was that an atomic bomb or a drama bomb?
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