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Harveyjames - 2009-01-09

They have this sort of thing in Greece and switzerland too, and probably a bunch of other places.

Konversekid - 2009-01-09

...and Israel. Anyone who thinks this is crazy is anti-Israel, and the conservatives fucking love them some Israel.

Cleaner82 - 2009-01-09

"Magic of editing"? What is this? Stars pending illumination.

Cleaner82 - 2009-01-09

So it looks like he's talking about his book or something back in '06?

Dicknuts - 2009-01-09

90% of 18 to 25 year olds could use three months of boot camp.

Rape Van Winkle - 2009-01-10

Shake your fist at the heavens, old man.

freedoom - 2009-01-09

Service guarantees citizenship!

UnderANeonHalo - 2009-01-09

As a Heinlein worshiping Rand-ian I endorse this comment in the name of Boortz, patron saint of kick ass ideas.

StanleyPain - 2009-01-09

I like how the idea of compulsory civil service absolutely scares the shit out of so many people.
It's not that I entirely agree with the whole idea, I just think it's so utterly iconic of today's America that citizens freak out and invoke notions of facism and oppression when we ask that people actually take responsibility for certain things. It's easy to bang your chest about killing the brown people in Iraq so long as it doesn't effect you or your family, right? So you can comfortably drive your SUV down the road listening to songs about about FREEDUM AND AMURICA by Toby Keith.

It's also funny how these morons compare what these guys are talking about to Russia, a country they clearly no nothing about and have absolutely no understand of it's history under Communism.

Cena_mark - 2009-01-09

I like how you criticize us for having a %100 volunteer army. I'm sorry. I hope we get to forcing youths into military service, so we can be like those nice Yourapeeins.

baleen - 2009-01-09

cena, you lil draft dodger\traitor.

Cena_mark - 2009-01-09

If there is a draft for a war, I would sign up and go. But there is no way in hell I'd join Obama's Civilian Snitch Core.

baleen - 2009-01-10

traitor. and liar.

StanleyPain - 2009-01-10

Not that you actually know anything about Europe or Europeans.

Also, I would like you cite me countries that require civil service that have "spiraled into despotism."

Cena_mark - 2009-01-10

I've been to Europe 4 times. And I do know that your nations are spiraling into nanny state tyranny.

wtf japan - 2009-01-09

Yes, Rahm, I would like my carjacker to have gone through basic training. Oh, and our country is eternally grateful for your military service. We know you're looking out for our best interests. After all, your parents didn't name you Rahm United States Emanuel for nothing!

My only real problem with this idea is that America has had a bad habit in the last 70 years of getting into morally and pragmatically questionable conflicts. Countries like Switzerland and Israel successfully implement this program, true, but Switzerland remains neutral, and for Israel it is a necessity. I say let people volunteer to be Uncle Sam's hitmen until we're directly threatened.

For a better "active citizenship" plan, read Ackerman and Alstot's "The Stakeholder Society." If only our economy was as good as it was in '98...

Helena Handbasket - 2009-01-09

Oh no, not civil service!

Cena_mark - 2009-01-09

Something as strong as the U.S. Army, utilized for Civil Service? I don't think so.

heyitslozeau - 2009-01-10

helena is correct, he's talking about civil service, not necessarily a "draft" and he's not saying it's mandatory, IT LOOKS LIKE THE GIANT OBTRUSIVE EDITS take out the parts that talk about the civil service paying for college and it not being mandatory, I've you've ever seen an obama debate or speech it's an old talking point.

dorje - 2009-01-10

Yes, the entire nation, trained and mobilized, and ready to respond to catastrophes, so that troops don't have to be brought in to restore economic security and repair infrastructure. You should be shitting your pants in joy, except your lot are too busy feeling sore from the spanking Obama gave you in the election. How about you complain some more about receiving training.

Cena_mark - 2009-01-10

It always starts that way. Do you think despots just say "I will take your freedom?" No. They make tyranny look appealing. They say its for the good of the country. Then the country eventually spirals into despotism.

baleen - 2009-01-10

You are a traitor and a liar and I have no respect for you. I don't like war mongers who dislike the military.

Cena_mark - 2009-01-10

Don't put words in my mouth gayleen. I love the military, I support the troops. I just hate whatever this vaguely described, possibly dangerous, force Obama is creating.
You guys trust Obama too much. You should never give any politician too much trust.

Space Helicopter - 2009-01-10

Those bridges will fix themselves.

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