Salvia is pretty nuts. I did it with several friends a few years back, but just 20x. One of my friend's attempted a backflip off of a table when he did it. My other friend just sat like he was meditating and had a faint smile. I fought it in a way and tried to make sense of the experience while being pulled to the ground by some unknown force. I was mumbling a little bit too. Each of our highs lasted within around the same time frame - 4-5 mins - but even after you "come back" you can still feel the remnants of the effect and you aren't totally there. During this time people usually try to salvage some reason from what they just experienced. I think everyone should do it at least once, it shows you frighteningly first-hand how thin our perceptions of reality are and how our minds can be twisted in all sorts of directions. I say this as an agnostic but we described it as God ripping out your brain and throwing it across the universe, or the pages of a book being flipped though at a high rate of speed. Scary and powerful.
Drugs are cheap thrills that make realize how small you are.
The trying to make sense of a wicked trip can be very destructive. It seems best not to try and read into a particular experience; otherwise, and I'm not being hyperbolic, you could push yourself into psychotic episodes. Anyone who is going to do drugs that effect one psychologically should keep this in mind as the "reason" for their trip: They just poisoned themselves and it is no different in a reductionist sense than a high fever, etc.
So in my mushroom/acid days I remember talking to a non-drug using friend about the experience, and recommending it solely on the same principles as PegLegPete, except without quite the drama.
Basically having actual reality become so different to you solely on how your mind is processing it is a bit of an eye-opener on how much we filter reality. And also as an introduction to what certain brands of insanity are like.
He (not straight edge really, but certainly down on druggies, but also up on his individuality) told me how he'd gone into some pretty strange mind trips all on his own thank you, and certainly didn't feel shrooms or acid could do anything more.
Really, it's the difference between a word and a picture. You can describe your mind going into infinite recursion all you want, but until you're there.. you got no idea.
The poisoned-yourself strategy works when there is actually a "self" to refer to. When you leave, you leave.
The last thing you want is somebody telling you on 500 mics of acid that "you've been poisoned" though.
I agree, but specifically I meant if one is having trouble or is in some state of "panic" after the drugs have worn off they should rationalize their trip as IF that had been poisoned, which would allow them to not read too much into the overwhelming experience. Bla bla bla.
He went from Beavis to Ozzy in about three minutes.
It was funny when he returned to normal and his handler mistook that he wanted more salvia.
Just get me some fucking water.
Big fucking pies
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At first I thought the salvia trip was making him sound like he had downs then I realized it's his cockney accent.
It's nice to see a salvia video where the people around the person tripping aren't a bunch of ass holes.
good friends who videotaped him and then put it out on youtube, those friends?
the first time i did salvia, i felt my teeth slide out of my mouth, all over my head, and then cut me in half. but it was a very positive thing.
my other friend freaked out that same night because he thought he was being dragged behind a horse-drawn carriage whilst he was actually sitting on the couch watching football.
five stars for drug and video alike!
These are pretty lame by trip standards.
Is it that short trips are youtube friendly? Is next week going to be nitrous oxide week?
Simon, you are being hyperbolic. Drugs often appeal to psychotic people because they reinforce the break with reality. This does not mean that a bad trip makes you psychotic. You don't have to believe that mustachioed police officer who told scary stories to your fifth grade class.
Your attacks ad hominem point out you have a weak argument.
First drugs "appeal" to people with mental issues because they are a method of control, that is to say they allow the user to act as an authority over their feelings/emotions/temperament rather than being a victim of those states of consciousness--think a contingency of coping or self medicating; second in terms of being a "psychotic," or one suffering from "psychosis" which means "a lack of contact with reality," undoubtedly can occur from the use of psychedelic drugs. When one uses drugs that completely erase or contradict what was known to be real, IE: when one is really sitting on a couch but feels as if they and everything around them is falling. If one is unable then to reorganize their particular trip or "drug experience" into the old familiar terms, then that is the definition of psychosis.
Having a bad trip does not make one a psychotic, we agree on that point. However, having a bad trip can make one a psychotic if one cannot reorder/organize the world afterward. And if one has a latent mental issues, such experiences can trigger those issues that wouldn't have otherwise shown up. An example of this is how extreme stress can cause one who has a likelihood of bi-polar to actually become bi-polar.
Talking about very real risks is not anti drug, it is being reasonable, as not talking about and knowing the risks is ignorant.
Simon, I was talking about long-term psychosis. Obviously psychedelics lead to a short-term break with reality. But I think that for an already stable person, that break ends as soon as the trip ends. For people with preexisting conditions, this may not be the case.
I disagree that it's about "control". I never knew anyone that got in too deep that wasn't looking for escape.
Anyway I'm sure you're a smart guy and I really meant it as a joke.
I smoked it once, around a campfire with friends.
Their faces were suddenly all molded out of plastic, kind of shiny and alien. The fire reflected on their skin.
It felt like my personality left and I was just a part of the universe able to observe itself and I laughed and laughed because all of that came together to make me realize some truth of the world that I can't quite remember now or explain in words.
your trip was way better than mine. a later time i did it, i was worried that i had become a houseplant, so firmly was i rooted to the ground.
i never got anything really visual with salvia but the emotions and feelings were overwhelming.
Needs a "Big Beef Burritos Supreme" tag
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this stuff made me want to take my clothes off and smoke cigarettes. i had no sitters, so my cats acted as such. they did a pretty good job
An acquaintance of mine tried it and thought it wasn't working. She decided to go to the kitchen for something to drink. As she was about to pour some juice, she paused. It dawned on her that she was pouring herself a bowl of juice.
My friend (no, really!) told me of a time he took some 100x while watching TV. His girlfriend was sleeping in the other room. He was watching this special on dinosaurs, and they suddenly started coming out of the TV. They were giant dinosaurs, but shrunk to TV size. Rather than frightening him, he was more pissed that they might make a mess and would wake up his girlfriend. So he's running around the room, trying to grab the dinosaurs, and yelling at them to get back in his TV because he'll get in trouble with the girlfriend if they don't. Of course, he's yelling this all real loudly, so of course the girlfriend wakes up, comes in, and yells "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?" She then sees his pipe, only half-smoked, and goes "Salvia?...*sigh*" and goes back to bed!
I did this once, will probably never do it again. Not that it was unpleasant, it just wasn't exactly appealing either.
Was totally alone at the time, but honestly, probably for the best. Sober people aren't going to understand the state I'm in and probably just make me paranoid, salvia-tripping ones are likely to be worse than useless.
I had mild visual hallucinations and fairly strong auditory ones, but the predominant sensation was of vertigo and really disordered thoughts. Wasn't quite as messed up as this guy but definitely took some concentration to keep my balance. I went to my PC and googled "this shit better wear off" about two minutes in, then I went to the bathroom, but couldn't go because I was worried my piss would come out corkscrewed, and that this might hurt.
(4 stars for the category tags)
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