|millerman13 - 2009-03-05 |
I voted this up because 1. it's sort of funny in a "fuck my tax dollars pay for this shit" kind of way and 2. It seem that since Israel's latest slaughter of Palestinians there has been much more support and awareness of the plight of the people of Gaza, and though this is a cartoon, it can only help. People, and Americans in particular, need to understand how terrible the situation in Gaza really is, and how Israel's ultimate plan is not to wipe out Palestinians, but to barely keep them alive so they can kill them later. It's fucking insane. Fuck Israel.
Well, Hamas isn't a band of angels, that's for sure. But, they have built schools, hospitals and funded a lot of public service projects that have been beneficial to Gazans as a whole. Israel is determined to brand every Gazan as a "top Hamas militant" or something just so it doesn't sound like they've slaughtered 1000+ civilians recently. Hamas is the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
I wasn't specifically referring to Hamas (they've only been in charge for a couple of years now), and I'm not assigning guilt to either side. I'm not cena mark i know the situation's not black and white. In my opinion no one is completely innocent in this situation. Suicide bombs by Palestinians and massive military strikes by the Israelis are extremely counterproductive, as well as a lack of any serious attempt at peace by either side. Both Israelis and Palestinians propagate the cycle of violence. I agree with the fact that the Palestinians are living in an apartheid, all I'm saying is that neither the Palestinians nor the governments of any other country has done anything to change this.
In regards to Hamas, whenever a Palestinian in Gaza fires a rocket into Israel or blows his or herself up, that gives Israel an excuse to kill thousands of people, bulldoze neighborhoods etc. Since the Israeli military is about a million times stronger than any Palestinian force and doesn't care about human rights, Hamas being at war with Israel fucks over the Gazans allows innocent Palestinians to be killed. Why? Because every innocent Palestinian killed gains them more support. The whole thing is just stupid.
"Well, Hamas isn't a band of angels, that's for sure. But, they have built schools, hospitals and funded a lot of public service projects that have been beneficial to Gazans as a whole."
It's all well and good to build things for people, as many despotic gangsters have done (Saddam Hussein comes to mind). What I find laughable about the current trend of "Hamas isn't as bad as Israel" arguments, coming mostly from the Left and the Libertarian right, is that if you happen to have disagreements with Hamas or their agenda for Palestine in Gaza you are IMMEDIATELY KILLED.
I'm not sure if that sinks in. I'm not sure how they feel that shooting rockets into Israel is helping Palestine. Want to know what killed more Palestinians than Israel? The forced expulsion of over 250,000 Palestinians from Kuwait.
In the words of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the USA Saud Nasir Sabah,
"If you're so concerned about human rights and leaving 250,000 Palestinians in Kuwait, which really poses a threat to our security, we'll be more than happy to airlift them to you free of charge, and you give them citizenship in the U.S." Sounds a little "Zionist," doesn't it?
Where do you think those people went? Many thousands of them languished and died in the Arab-run Palestinian concentration camps of Lebanon where as many as 400,000 Palestinians are forced into a primitive existence and not permitted to participate in mainstream Lebanese society. Many in the Palestinian diaspora toil as second rate citizens across the Arab world. The idea that somehow Israel is to blame for every bad thing that happens to Palestine is ridiculous. Hamas is a gangster organization, funded by Ba'athists and Iranian theocrats, and has no real interest in preserving the the people of Palestine.
As much as I disagree with Hamas it is a fact that they were elected. Much like Bush. As much as I hated Bush,I never supported attacks on USA civillians. Despite the USA aggression towards other countries. Are you saying that because you dislike Hamas Israeli aggression is justified.
As per your statement "if you happen to have disagreements with Hamas or their agenda for Palestine in Gaza you are IMMEDIATELY KILLED." That is just not true. Please. Lets not rely on hyperbole here. it ust cheapens your argument.
I am happy that you are concerned about the plight of palestinian refugees. But I dont understand how you cant connect the responsability of their suffering with israel. Let me help you out a bit. They are refugees because they were kicked out of their homeland by israel. As for your other argument that the other arab nations treat palestinian refugees badly. I agree. They suck. Like me I hope you support the right of these refugees to return to Palestine and out of those other shitty countries.
|socialist_hentai - 2009-03-05 |
Waltz with Bashir was a wonderful movie... that's all i got to say
yes it was, and as far as i can tell this has nothing to do with that. The director of waltz with bashir was Ari Folman i don't see him anywhere in the credits here.
My mistake, it's Yoni Goodman, the animation director that produced this. not Ari Folman.
Yoni Goodman was responsible for Waltz w/ Bashir's animation style, and was the director of animation for the movie.
|fluffy - 2009-03-06 |
I have family in Israel. They think of the Palestinians as a homeowner would think of an infestation of roaches. They want to see the Palestinians completely wiped out. If you make comparisons to 1940s Germany they just kind of shrug and say, "That was different."
NO IT FUCKING WASN'T. You are being NO BETTER THAN THEM.
what are they orthodox?
That would make a lot of sense, wouldn't it?
Most of the crazy-ass Zionists I know are American reform agnostics, or non-religious Israeli citizens. I can't wrap my brain around it. They are completely normal, liberal Jewish folk until it comes to this issue, then they become spittle-flinging advocates state terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
My Israeli family consists of:
- my American-born liberal aunt who found religion (in the form of her now-husband) and moved to Israel, and is frustrated by the Palestinians but doesn't seem to think they are human vermin
- Her husband, an ethnic Arab raised Jewish, who used to be a prison warden in Tel Aviv until he retired 10 years ago
- Their three sons, the oldest of whom now lives in England (and would prefer peace and understanding between the two sides), the youngest of whom still serves in the Israeli army, and the middle one who just moved to California to work for Boeing, and is the most anti-Palestinian of all of them
I guess I should amend my statement to say that only some of my Israeli family wants to see the Palestinians wiped out, and the part that's most vocal about it no longer lives in Israel.
|biclops - 2009-03-06 |
I love cartoons
|Xenocide - 2009-03-06 |
Nothing Snake Plisken couldn't handle.
|Menudo con queso - 2009-03-06 |
I never thought of surf rock as the soundtrack for Gaza.
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