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Desc:They do not understand that you can't actually be both.
Category:Classic TV Clips, Educational
Tags:fox news, fascism, socialism, Wagner
Submitted:cognitivedissonance
Date:04/28/09
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Comrade Admiral - 2009-04-28
I'd say that the submitter's username is probably the most appropriate one I've seen, but then I realize that these people don't experience cognitive dissonance.
Camonk - 2009-04-28
I don't think any of these people actually know what words mean. The fact that the people who agree with them and their terrible use of words make up a non-trivial number is the worst.
kingarthur - 2009-04-28
Grandchildren, gather around and let me tell you about a time when there was a thing called honesty and a thing called journalistic integrity.

"Grandpa, isn't journalistic integrity just a communist fascist idea to re-educate us so that we depend on the nanny state and become loser welfare queens?"
ztc - 2009-04-28
DOWN WITH FOCIAL SASCISM
voodoo_pork - 2009-04-28
FOWN WITH DASCISM!

chumbucket - 2009-04-28
not all Fox news here, which makes this all the more pathetic. It's a great sample of how media grabs and latches onto "flash words" that simply sound provocative and "oh noes!!" but if one actually stopped to think about what is being said it's a ridiculous application of bad vocabulary.

I'll also use this opportunity to harp on the over-use of "absolutely". If there was really that much perfection and confidence in what people say and do today, why would anyone have to worry or debate? Fuck word usage, let's just burn the dictionaries.

absolute (adj): 1 a: free from imperfection : perfect b: free or relatively free from mixture : pure c: outright, unmitigated 2: being, governed by, or characteristic of a ruler or authority completely free from constitutional or other restraint
Rovin - 2009-04-28
Thank you for remembering how our language works.

fatatty - 2009-04-28
Well see he's a Fascist because he's beholden to Wall St. which is why he hired Geithner and Summers. But then he wants to nationalize the banks and give us all healthcare so he's a socialist. But he's a corporate whore puppet president so he's a fascist. But he's a marxist and shook hands with Chavez, so he's a socialist. But he wants to take our guns so he's a fascist.

Or they just want to scare up some ratings.
Spastic Avenger - 2009-04-28
none of that made any fucking sense.
Frank Rizzo - 2009-04-28
"I think he's a fascist"
"why?"
".....cause he is!?"

5 stars for logic.
zatojones - 2009-04-28
"I think he's a fascist"

"Why?"

"Because he is!"
Caminante Nocturno - 2009-04-28
Like a pack of well-trained dogs.
Lauritz Melchior - 2009-04-28
I am glad to see the Wagner tag put to use.
Timothy A. Bear - 2009-04-28
"I'm not Gay!"
repeated every which way.
Squidmojo - 2009-04-28
Words mean things.
Hooper_X - 2009-04-28
ARGH ARGH ARGH ARGH.

nationalization of a few key industries is hardly socialism. at best we're sliding towards a welfare capitalism model. that's not QUITE as scary as "socialisms!" but really, given that audience, just the word "welfare" seems to induce paroxysms.

Spastic Avenger - 2009-04-28
It's not even just the repeated souffle-like use of the word 'socialism'. There are different types and strengths of socialism. I hate this culture of polemics on both sides of the Atlantic.
KnowFuture - 2009-04-28
Because taxes did not exist until Obama got elected.
Udderdude - 2009-04-28
lol america
StanleyPain - 2009-04-28
Oh look, it's Mark Levin, the new HERO OF THE PEOPLE. For those unaware, this guy is getting really popular with the immensely popular STUPID AS SHIT demographic in the US, and now he wrote a book which is rocketing up the sales charts called LIBERTY AND TYRRANY which is all about how when a president gets elected who is not of your party, IT'S LIKE NAZISM AND THE HOLOCAUST AND THE LAST EPISODE OF SEINFELD ALL ROLLED INTO ONE AND SHOT OUT OF THE ASS OF SATAN!!!

AREN'T YOU TIRED OF TYRANNY, LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE TO OBEY LAWS AND SHIT??? Yeah, so basically get prepared to see a lot of this douchenozzle in the coming years.
ProfessorChaos - 2009-04-28
In all fairness, the definition of fascism is so broad that it can be almost anything. (This is according to Wikipedia.) I wouldn't mind seeing a definitive, head to head comparison of the two from someone who knows a little more then Wikipedia does.
Cheese - 2009-04-29
Yes, Fascism can be many things, but one thing it can't be is socialism.

pastorofmuppets - 2009-05-02
If I remember right, they were also mentioning Mussolini outright. At that point they lose the ability to hide behind, "but I meant fascism as an ideal!"

And while Mussolini himself had a pretty loose definition of Fascismo (pretty much whatever fed his desire his for political power), Italian Fascism was very clearly a process of removing power from the workers and giving it back to the industrialists, and keeping it there by use of a paramilitary force that didn't take orders from the elected government. It was the exact opposite of socialism.

Anyway, when these blowhards cry fascism, they're talking about the side-effects, and again Italy prior to WWII is the shining example: the blackshirts, the censorship, the view of propaganda as a good thing, the social darwinism, the lack of personal freedoms, etc, etc.

But even that's giving them too much credit. These days is that corporatism isn't universally seen as a negative, whereas the original fascists, while essentially corporatist, had to pretend like they weren't. Today, having your freedom isn't taboo, so fascism is just a general term for a government that does things you don't like.

pastorofmuppets - 2009-05-02
weird. let's try again.

"These days, corporatism isn't universally seen as negative...having your freedom dissolved isn't taboo"

pastorofmuppets - 2009-04-29
Videos with Michele Bachmann in them need a warning.

I am dead fucking serious about this. Do not do that to me again.
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