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Desc:Objectivist explains to Glenn Beck how the Nazis were leftists.
Category:Humor, Crime
Tags:Nazis, glenn beck, objectivists, von brunn
Submitted:futurebot
Date:06/12/09
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Toenails
I like to think of myself as "Pro-Negro".
Pillager
Nazis were leftists?

That's why Hitler gave a Grand Cross of the German Eagle to right wingers like Henry Ford & Charles Lindbergh.


poorwill
The Z is for Zocialist!

5 stars although I'm still fuzzy on whether something this stupid counts as truly evil.

kingarthur
It's either so stupid my head hurts or so evil my head hurts....I honestly can't tell which.

Caminante Nocturno
Attempts to prove that your ideology isn't worthless only serve to prove that it is.
Scrotum H. Vainglorious
lol wut?


sosage
Fived only so more people get to see this talented man draw a connecting line between two opposing points, using a pen filled with bullshit, through a minefield of facts.
Triggerbaby
This is highly quotable.

Squidmojo
This just melts my brain. You win, Fox news.
phalsebob
Since certain elements of the right have abandoned thought based on logic, history, and in a few cases the observable universe, I'd like to point out a few other Leftists; Barry Goldwater, Gehngis Khan, Mugabe, Dracula, and H1N1 Swine Flu.
phalsebob
Oh yes, and 9/11 truthers. That one's for real. Beck thinks truthers are all leftists.

failure
so wait, if nazis are on the left and nazis are the opposite of russians, then commies are on the right?
Modern Angel
No. The only people who are on the right are people they say are on the right. There is no "opposite" here.

citrusmirakel
So, in the 30's Adolph Hitler got together with Josef Stalin and said "Hey, we're going to fight a World War in a couple years, and then after that, we're going to spend at least 60 years being demonized by other countries as being the Worst Thing Possible."

"We're both liberals (insofar as we're both evil), but even we both vote for Dennis Kucinich, I think one of us should define himself as right wing, That way, we'll frame the extremes of the debate."
Syd Midnight
I would like to see someone put that text in the "Hitler vs Stalin" comic

Nithing
This is what happens when you try to make politics a 2D line. It's like trying to sum up human intelligence with a single number.
Desidiosus
In the case of Objectivists, you can do that very easily.

foopants
Exactly. The Nazis, as well as Von Brunn, are extremists easily and hardly apply to the differences between "left" and "right." This should be a day of mourning, but both sides refuse to meditate on what has happened and instead both sides are bickering about something barely connected with reality. Truly, truly sad.

Still, this is pretty funny.

Modern Angel
Words mean things. It is important.

foopants
Words have meaning. I'm not sure "left" and "right" have much meaning in America anymore, beyond which "team" one is "for."

There is a time for debating definitions and there is a time for mourning. They're kind of exclusive.

OK that was way too many quoted words, but I hope my meaning comes across.

Modern Angel
Your meaning comes across fine. You just happen to be wrong.

Left and Right absolutely have meaning. If you can look at these two chucklefucks in this video, right wingers, and say that they're exactly like... oh, I don't know, Michael Moore or Sean Penn you're fucking blind.

Not to mention they're rewriting history. That's powerful stuff. I don't care if you're blase about Right vs Left but goddammit, Hitler was a right winger. The shooter was a right winger. Those are facts. Incontrovertible facts. If the right doing this doesn't get a reaction from the middle you think they're going to stop at this?

futurebot
This isn't about "assigning definitions", this is about trying to understand the causal role that political ideology plays in murder.

foopants
The "causal role that political ideology plays in murder" is pretty much nothing. When your "ideology" is so far disconnected from reality that you are not only racist but actively aggressive based on such flimsy ideas as Zionist conspiracy, etc, you've left the realm of political thought and entered into one or more forms of psychoses.

Hooker
Why does "fascist" have to fall into right-wing or left-wing to begin with?
jangbones
why do "words" have to mean "things" anyway

Hooker
Um. I'm not sure what you're implying.

futurebot
The word "fascist" does not have to be associated with any particular political ideology, but the concept that we have historically associated with that word certainly does.

Miskimo
RIGHT wing - the clue is in the name, they are the people who are RIGHT. What's the opposite of right? Well we use the words LEFT or WRONG for that.
memedumpster
And we call the United States of America "US" to draw a line between "US" and "THEM."

"USSR" tried to do this, but stuttured.

Also, Istanbul was Constantinople.

cognitivedissonance
You should really know your argument is shit when the only people you can find who agree with it are from the Objectivist Institute.
KnowFuture
An all-day whiskey and jalapeņo popper binge is easier on the stomach than the combination of Fox News and Ayn Rand.
KnowFuture
Also, most Objectivists I've dealt with tend to pull that "HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST" argument out of their ass as a defensive thing when somebody spends more than 6 seconds listening to them and calls them a Nazi or a fascist.

SteamPoweredKleenex
The last word of USSR was "Republic."

So I guess that means the GOP is a load of Commies, right? Hey, logic is fun once you turn off your brains!

RomancingTrain
Also DPRK, PRC, etc. etc.

Cockmaster Flash
I don't see what the problem is. Hitler is well known for his support of trade unions, communism, and multiculturalism.
jangbones
Left-leaning concepts like athiesm and social liberty are just as important to Objectivism as right wing ideas like laissez-faire capitalism. Ayn Rand would lose her fucking mind at this kind of bullshit and anti-intellectualism. Her philosophy has been coopted by one-issue fools.
poorwill
I guess - but Ayn Rand is still a cunt.

Keefu
Ayn Rand has her own part in fostering the bullshit and anti-intellectualism prevalent in her followers. She was just not nearly as bad.

KnowFuture
When she was alive, she had a cult of personality and anyone in her circle who disagreed with her was basically written off.

phalsebob
A big problem here is that the Right in America today (well... Republicans anyway) are all about social conservatism. They pay lip service to economic conservatism, but just end up being rich man socialists who spend huge amounts of government money an things that don't even help, like useless wars and bolstering companies that already have huge amounts of money. In this regard I could compare them to another party that gained a lot of power in the 30s but why bother.

Keefu
The ARI and orthodox objectivism are embarrassing, paranoid, and self-back patting in every way possible. They are focused on blindly following the deeply flawed philosophy of a woman who was more of a polemicist than any sort of effective philosopher and make her look infinitely better in comparison.

Guys like Peikoff and co. have been known to support cranks like David Harriman who has done some bizarre attacks on Einstein and relativity because KANT and SUBJECTIVITY, or whatever keywords are used to stir up paranoia.
Keefu
Also, this ad was at the top of the page, what the fuck:

Dr. Seuss meets Ayn Rand.
Buy this beautiful illustrated book
Warning against big government.
www.freemarketunderdog.com

joelkazoo
From the site mentioned above:
"Dr. Seuss would be proud of the beautiful illustrations and rhyming verse in this lively tale of free-markets versus excessive government regulation."

Exhibit A: "The Lorax" Yup, that's a book that just SCREAMS out Objectivism, does it not?

Exhibit B: Dr. Seuss' Artwork, which puts the crayon scrawlings in this book to shame.

Exhibit C: If he couldn't find a proper rhyming word, Seuss would make one up, rather than force it to rhyme through conventional means.

Verdict: freemarketunderdog.com is guilty of defamation of character, and owes the Seuss estate large cash amounts.

poorwill
No lie, I've heard Horton Hatches the Egg praised as a glorification of Conservative Values.

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