|Toenails - 2009-06-12 |
I like to think of myself as "Pro-Negro".
|Pillager - 2009-06-12 |
Nazis were leftists?
That's why Hitler gave a Grand Cross of the German Eagle to right wingers like Henry Ford & Charles Lindbergh.
|Caminante Nocturno - 2009-06-12 |
Attempts to prove that your ideology isn't worthless only serve to prove that it is.
|Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2009-06-12 |
|sosage - 2009-06-12 |
Fived only so more people get to see this talented man draw a connecting line between two opposing points, using a pen filled with bullshit, through a minefield of facts.
|Squidmojo - 2009-06-12 |
This just melts my brain. You win, Fox news.
|phalsebob - 2009-06-12 |
Since certain elements of the right have abandoned thought based on logic, history, and in a few cases the observable universe, I'd like to point out a few other Leftists; Barry Goldwater, Gehngis Khan, Mugabe, Dracula, and H1N1 Swine Flu.
Oh yes, and 9/11 truthers. That one's for real. Beck thinks truthers are all leftists.
|failure - 2009-06-12 |
so wait, if nazis are on the left and nazis are the opposite of russians, then commies are on the right?
|citrusmirakel - 2009-06-12 |
So, in the 30's Adolph Hitler got together with Josef Stalin and said "Hey, we're going to fight a World War in a couple years, and then after that, we're going to spend at least 60 years being demonized by other countries as being the Worst Thing Possible."
"We're both liberals (insofar as we're both evil), but even we both vote for Dennis Kucinich, I think one of us should define himself as right wing, That way, we'll frame the extremes of the debate."
|Nithing - 2009-06-12 |
This is what happens when you try to make politics a 2D line. It's like trying to sum up human intelligence with a single number.
Words mean things. It is important.
Words have meaning. I'm not sure "left" and "right" have much meaning in America anymore, beyond which "team" one is "for."
There is a time for debating definitions and there is a time for mourning. They're kind of exclusive.
OK that was way too many quoted words, but I hope my meaning comes across.
Your meaning comes across fine. You just happen to be wrong.
Left and Right absolutely have meaning. If you can look at these two chucklefucks in this video, right wingers, and say that they're exactly like... oh, I don't know, Michael Moore or Sean Penn you're fucking blind.
Not to mention they're rewriting history. That's powerful stuff. I don't care if you're blase about Right vs Left but goddammit, Hitler was a right winger. The shooter was a right winger. Those are facts. Incontrovertible facts. If the right doing this doesn't get a reaction from the middle you think they're going to stop at this?
This isn't about "assigning definitions", this is about trying to understand the causal role that political ideology plays in murder.
The "causal role that political ideology plays in murder" is pretty much nothing. When your "ideology" is so far disconnected from reality that you are not only racist but actively aggressive based on such flimsy ideas as Zionist conspiracy, etc, you've left the realm of political thought and entered into one or more forms of psychoses.
|Hooker - 2009-06-12 |
Why does "fascist" have to fall into right-wing or left-wing to begin with?
why do "words" have to mean "things" anyway
Um. I'm not sure what you're implying.
The word "fascist" does not have to be associated with any particular political ideology, but the concept that we have historically associated with that word certainly does.
|Miskimo - 2009-06-12 |
RIGHT wing - the clue is in the name, they are the people who are RIGHT. What's the opposite of right? Well we use the words LEFT or WRONG for that.
|cognitivedissonance - 2009-06-12 |
You should really know your argument is shit when the only people you can find who agree with it are from the Objectivist Institute.
|KnowFuture - 2009-06-12 |
An all-day whiskey and jalapeņo popper binge is easier on the stomach than the combination of Fox News and Ayn Rand.
Also, most Objectivists I've dealt with tend to pull that "HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST" argument out of their ass as a defensive thing when somebody spends more than 6 seconds listening to them and calls them a Nazi or a fascist.
|Cockmaster Flash - 2009-06-12 |
I don't see what the problem is. Hitler is well known for his support of trade unions, communism, and multiculturalism.
|jangbones - 2009-06-12 |
Left-leaning concepts like athiesm and social liberty are just as important to Objectivism as right wing ideas like laissez-faire capitalism. Ayn Rand would lose her fucking mind at this kind of bullshit and anti-intellectualism. Her philosophy has been coopted by one-issue fools.
I guess - but Ayn Rand is still a cunt.
Ayn Rand has her own part in fostering the bullshit and anti-intellectualism prevalent in her followers. She was just not nearly as bad.
When she was alive, she had a cult of personality and anyone in her circle who disagreed with her was basically written off.
A big problem here is that the Right in America today (well... Republicans anyway) are all about social conservatism. They pay lip service to economic conservatism, but just end up being rich man socialists who spend huge amounts of government money an things that don't even help, like useless wars and bolstering companies that already have huge amounts of money. In this regard I could compare them to another party that gained a lot of power in the 30s but why bother.
|Keefu - 2009-06-12 |
The ARI and orthodox objectivism are embarrassing, paranoid, and self-back patting in every way possible. They are focused on blindly following the deeply flawed philosophy of a woman who was more of a polemicist than any sort of effective philosopher and make her look infinitely better in comparison.
Guys like Peikoff and co. have been known to support cranks like David Harriman who has done some bizarre attacks on Einstein and relativity because KANT and SUBJECTIVITY, or whatever keywords are used to stir up paranoia.
Also, this ad was at the top of the page, what the fuck:
Dr. Seuss meets Ayn Rand.
Buy this beautiful illustrated book
Warning against big government.
From the site mentioned above:
"Dr. Seuss would be proud of the beautiful illustrations and rhyming verse in this lively tale of free-markets versus excessive government regulation."
Exhibit A: "The Lorax" Yup, that's a book that just SCREAMS out Objectivism, does it not?
Exhibit B: Dr. Seuss' Artwork, which puts the crayon scrawlings in this book to shame.
Exhibit C: If he couldn't find a proper rhyming word, Seuss would make one up, rather than force it to rhyme through conventional means.
Verdict: freemarketunderdog.com is guilty of defamation of character, and owes the Seuss estate large cash amounts.
No lie, I've heard Horton Hatches the Egg praised as a glorification of Conservative Values.
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