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Desc:His recollection of the fight itself is terrifyingly different than what we saw.
Category:Crime, News & Politics
Tags:vietnam, oakland, Thomas Bruso, unreliable narrator, bus fight
Submitted:MaulLove
Date:02/20/10
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Comment count is 52
Ursa_minor
This guy is crazy as fuck.
revdrew
Like there was ever any doubt.

phalsebob
Okay people. This poe race war shit got tiresome faster than I expected. But you're right. He is crazy. Can we all agree that he is bug fuck crazy, and everyone is a bad person?

Riskbreaker
We have no idea what he has lived, and for the looks of it seems that it wasn't pretty at all. He sounded far more reasonable than other "old timers" i have met.

TheQuakeSoldier
Hahaha, yeah!! Fuck crazy old veterans! He is not mentally stable so he is a bad person!

baleen

he's a hero to me!

Randroid
NO WAR EXCEPT CLASS WAR

Sundry
4chan instantly latched onto this with racist glee. Even after the video they continue idolizing the man and building a "white man's revenge" fantasy around the incident.

They are also being very creepy about the calm girl listening to music while these two men fight.
DerangedGoblin
*swoon* Amber Lamps

StanleyPain
I think you are seriously overrating/overestimating 4chan. They've latched onto this because it reinforces their fakey "HAHA LOOK WE ARE RACISTS HOW SHOCKING" thing they have going on.

Sundry
Well, yes, I am sure part of the racism is acted. I still think that acting or not, their "fun" could be seen as racist glee.

Goblin, why the hell has 4chan named that girl "Amber Lamps"?

RomancingTrain
It's a racist transcription of the (black) camerawoman saying "ambulance."

THA SUGAH RAIN
LEAVE AMBER LAMPS ALONE!

NewHeavenSalesman
They also published dox of the cameraman woman, and are encouraging people to harass her, so while I agree that their racism is more of the EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET IS IRONY variety, it's still pretty lame.

Charles
Yes, 4chan's taking the whole thing way too far, beyond simple joking around, and at this point they're just being unfunny and racist. Which, from what I hear of 4chan, is the usual schpiel.

wtf japan
I hate to defend 4chan, but Ilyana "Beat His White Ass" Washington (the camerawoman) is pretty despicable herself. "Blood," as he is referred to, probably would have left it alone if Ms. Washington had not continued to stir things up. She also videotaped herself grabbing Bruso's bag after the fight and recommending that everyone "go through that shit."

baleen

4chan are credibly racist because they are chiefly obese white shut-ins from the suburbs who probably don't have much experience being with people different than they are, apart from the interracial porn that they jerk off to.

oogaBooga
Here it comes:
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
phalsebob
GROUP HUG!

Charles
"He was knocked out for 22 1/2 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!"

charmlessman
He's "Reality Challenged".
petep
oh, okay. that makes sense.
ztc
That's not what happened.

That's not even how you spell "Cafe".
wtf japan
The description of the actual fight itself is the only part of his account that didn't match up or ring true. He probably just got caught up in the Mohammad Ali simile. This guy just doesn't seem wily enough to cover his ass with a fabricated alibi. It also seems unlikely that you make it to 67 in Oakland making offhand racist remarks to people. I think he's telling the truth, as best his crazy ass remembers it.

ztc
His explanation seemed reasonable enough but by the end he was describing things that only occurred in his own head.

klingerbgoode
there's another video of him screaming at cops at an Oakland As game and getting tasered.
zerobackup
Link please!

akinskirage
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=64306


William Burns
SCRUFF MCGUFF CHICAGO ILLINOIS SIX-OH-SIX-FIVE-TWO
oogaBooga
Phantom stars for you. That pops into my head every once in a while.

kwash
A boy can be anybody, it can be a man, it can be a girl.

Inspirational shit.
oogaBooga
I thought the immediate declaration of "this guy is fuckin' crazy" was a bit premature in the original video. I was playing devils advocate for "well maybe he's just a kooky old timer".

I was wrong. This guy is a compulsive fabricator. Or maybe he's omniscient and we just don't "get it".

Chibisuke
So nobody's gonna point out the fact that he just admitted he killed a man and he never got caught for it, and that being bugfuck crazy, it's questionable whether the guy he may or may not have killed actually tried to stab him?
Spoonybard
Nothing is true, everything is permitted

Lauritz Melchior
Didn't you see the "nothing is real" video?

ztc
Being bugfuck crazy, it's questionable whether the guy he may or may not have killed ever existed in the first place.

Enjoy
Wait. When you're old you are allowed to have a chiv?
oddeye
In jail you be my fucking bitch you stupid shit. It's SHIV not CHIV, pussyboy.

oddeye
I will SHIV you up your white ass, fucking bitch

wtf japan
According to Patton Oswalt, when you reach a certain age, one law stops applying to you for every year you live past that threshold.

spikestoyiu
Guys, if I condemn racism, will you think I'm better than all of you?
Ursa_minor
It seems like most the people here are confusing 'Racism' with 'Subculturalism' - which isn't really a word, but is more accurate than race I think. Race really doesn't play into it, just more of the subculture that either person is from - as the genetic makeup or color of ones skin obviously doesn't make one more likely to (insert negative). Black or white people don't talk like idiots or cause problems - but black or white people from a particular subculture will. Black people from a particular subculture here in Oakland constantly start shit for no reason. White people from a subculture where I grew up in the woods also constantly start shit. I don't understand how any of this is racist - it's just two idiots from very different worlds, worlds where acting like this is okay.

wtf japan
Black American "subcultures" are basically self-perpetuating molds formed by centuries of white influence and oppression. The word SUBculture implies that there is another culture that dominates it. If the predominately white dominant culture hates a predominantly and originally entirely black subculture it created and is not willing to dismantle, then culturalism in this case is just a sublimated form of racism.

If you enjoy the video because you subconsciously or consciously believe that the fight is symbolic for the sort of racial reckoning you'd like to see in American society, then you are a racist.

I like to think I enjoy it because the guy who should have had a physical advantage and was responsible for starting the physical confrontation was bested by a man who should have had the physical disadvantage and took pains to prevent the confrontation from happening in the first place. I consider them to be on equal social footing as pariahs, since the one is a black male and the other is an elderly, mentally disturbed Vietnam veteran and former felon.

spikestoyiu
I just liked it because I like seeing instigators getting beat up.

oogaBooga
Yeah but that black guy was a MUUUUURRRDEERREEERRR

pastorofmuppets
Subculture doesn't imply subjugation. It's a relatively modern word and it's easy enough to look at how it was defined when it was coined.

I agree with the rest.

wtf japan
I agree with you that the presence of a subculture does not necessitate actual subjugation by a dominant culture. They wouldn't exist if they were actually subjugated, because being "out of control" (ie, subversive) is what defines them. They are nevertheless reliant on perceived opposition or persecution from the majority/dominant culture for cohesion and definition. Therefore, the existence of a subculture implies the presence of a dominant culture that is intentionally or unintentionally responsible for the formation of said subculture.

Ursa_minor
I definitely feel the same way you do about the video. Race doesn't really enter the picture for me. The black male isn't just a "black male" though, he's Oakland ghetto-trash. Ghetto-trash doesn't discriminate when it comes to race. East Oakland has a colorful myriad.
I don't agree with you on culturalism however, I don't believe it always boil down to "RACISM". I dislike dudes in donks and I dislike juggalos the same.
Ursa_minor
Shit, that was meant to be a reply to wtf japan.

Adham Nu'man
I felt sad when he cried for his dead mama.

P.S.: you're all just a bunch of racist bigots.
nemeses9
This just made me sad. I never heard about the whole thing until I saw this video. Then I went and watched the fight video.

I used to live in East Oakland, this kind of stuff is a pretty regular occurrence. Living there is the only time I had my house actually broken into. Luckily I didn't have anything worth more than Walmart furniture at the time.
Rodents of Unusual Size
That is one of the most insane things I've seen on this site. And that says a lot.
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