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Desc:Pyramid scams look pretty sweet when you're at the top of said pyramid
Category:Crime, Horror
Tags:dateline, chris hansen, MLM, Amway, Quixtar
Submitted:BIlly Mays Here
Date:03/04/10
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Frank Rizzo
did he say "250 quid" at 4:15ish?

second part --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR2_m3lefOI
BIlly Mays Here
Thanks. Multi-part was broken.

StanleyPain
He's saying "250 quarter of a million" but really fast

Jimmyfranks
WHAT?!?! WHAT DO "THEY SAY"?!? DANM YOU MULTIPART SUBMISSON

Frank Rizzo
god damnit, frank.

positively
"This is the best opportunity in the world! Period! Period! Period!" So does he mean to say that "This is the best opportunity in the world..."
charmlessman
He should have just said, "This is the best opportunity in the world! ELLIPSIS!!"

charmlessman
I had a couple friends who got into this. I tried SO HARD to tell them they were being scammed, but they were totally sold. They had to fail on their own to figure it out.

I see this and I see all the same bullshit lies and crowd manipulation you see at evangelical rallies and political events.
oogaBooga
QUIXTAR! That's the name I was thinking of!
The lives it ruins may not be as widespread as meth, but the end result is just as depressing.

Syd Midnight
Quixtar is literally just the online branch of Amway. The owners are the kids of the Amway owners.. the secret to making $$$ at MLM is to be the person who starts one.

Richmond
I had to save my dad from this. He was only down about $8k at the time. The most insidious part about this specific scheme is that they tell you it's about harnessing the POWER OF THE INTERNET.

This is a generation of people that are completely credulous as to the untapped capacity of the internet, and that are increasingly desperate as they see a debt-laden retirement rushing up at them like a river to a bridge jumper. Five for some pretty awesome evil.

Hooper_X
So it's like Scientology, but with capitalism rather than space aliens.
delicatessen
Beware of any movement that results in large crowds chanting in a stadium.

namtar
What about baseball?

delicatessen
Especially baseball.

Syd Midnight
They share one common practice, they make followers listen to "theology" nearly 24/7, as a background thing. People who fall for an MLM will have a bunch of "motivational" CDs that are literally sermons to greed. They're made to buy their own. It's a form of brainwashing.

For Amway in the 90s the clue was a pile of crudely labeled white 15 min cassettes in their car, so they could listen to get-rich-Amway sermons while driving.

Hooper_X
If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure there's been actual peer-reviewed research done on how Amway/Quixtar/etc. operate by essentially redirecting classic cult tactics (the bombarding with ideology, the disconnecting from negative influences, etc.)

BorrowedSolution
I really, really wanted Chris Hansen to ask the one guy: "Can you show me on your account statement where Quixtar touched you?"
badideasinaction
I knew this one girl whose parents were supportive of her when she came out as a lesbian. And when she became a pagan.

They kicked her ass to the curb when she joined a MLM scheme.

Wise parents.

True evil.
dbtng
I've seen a buddy make this mistake. Felt bad for him.
Chalkdust
MLM week?
oogaBooga
I watched two minutes of this thinking "what the fuck is up with that weird echo effect?" until I realized the poe version was playing behind the fullscreen youtube version.
Coax_Current
LJ:
I ran into a node of an MLM network through Meetup. Essentially, MLMers would make groups about something "green" or "sustainable" (might be food, activism, or solar energy), have a couple meetings, and then use the group as a captive audience for a combination of pandering "The Law of Attraction," "The Secret," and a "green" MLM scheme, claiming they were green ways to do good by the Earth and MAKE $$$$.

Did a bit more digging, found that most of the founders of these groups knew each other, and the ringleaders had been involved in the whole evolutionary tree of MLM fads starting in the late-90s. Nutrition nonsense mostly, but the new stuff was nutrition with a green twist.

There's a whole social network/NING site for The Secret-style MLM codswallop called "Powerful Intentions." Found pictures of them having drinks, while they congratulated themselves on being awesome. "You're the man!" "No, YOU'RE the man, BRO!" Also, they used the word "Namaste" a lot. Because it's all about love.

Did I mention some of these people were claiming to operate "social enterprises?"

Needless to say, when I revealed the whole thing to the group, I received a scorched earth-style defamation of character + kickban from the ringleader. Did get one thank you email, though.
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