pastorofmuppets      Well apparently we have some work to do if we want to catch up to the USSR in terms of human rights. Good work pointing that out, Glenn. There's hope for you yet.
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Hooper_X Fuck him and everyone who looks remotely like him.
I'm officially done thinking of clever fucking shit to say about this guy. He is a waste of genetic material, and the best thing he could ever do for humanity is to shoot himself into the fucking sun.
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oddeye Seriously, fuck Glenn Beck.
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Hooper_X Correction: The best thing he could ever do for humanity is to build a giant ark, gather all his followers together, and shoot them ALL into the fucking sun.
But that would be a collective effort, and everyone knows that shit is for commies. So encouraging them all to INDIVIDUALLY shoot themselves into the sun.
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oddeye The notion that my rights come from god is deeply offensive to me. I can't quite put my finger on why, it just wont sit right.
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Hooper_X Not from any god, but from Glenn Beck's god. Who is totally one of those vengeful fuckers who will give you hives and put a shitton of toads in your basement if you piss him off.
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Hooper_X Wait, no. I figured out why it's ridiculous - because how, then, am I supposed to know what my rights are, exactly? Ask a priest? At least if the gummit is telling me what rights I have, I KNOW WHAT RIGHTS I HAVE.
If all I have are the rights that are given to me by god, then I can pretty much claim anything I fucking want, and who are you to deny me? GOD GAVE ME THE RIGHT TO HAVE A BILLION GUNS AND MURDER QUEERS AND WHO ARE YOU TO TAKE AWAY THOSE RIGHTS?!?!?!?!?!? (note: he did not give me the right to educate myself. otherwise, i'd probably question the entire setup.)
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The Great Hippo If Glenn Beck believes that rights come from God, and Glenn Beck believes that terrorists do not have certain rights from God that the rest of us have, then Glenn Beck believes that he knows who God gives rights and who God doesn't.
Rights are rights; either everyone has them or everyone doesn't. We violate (not *remove*) your rights only as a function of protecting the rights of others. We kill so others won't be killed. There is nothing you can do to lose the right *not* to be killed, or *not* imprisoned--we violate it only as a means to prevent a *greater* number of violations. In discussions about human rights, this simple fact is often forgotten.
Whether or not our rights come from God is irrelevant. God isn't here telling us what our rights are. Our rights are our own to determine, as a collective whole. We can do that based on what guidelines we may think God has set forth for us, but to think that God laid out our rights in clear terms--and that any man has a monopoly on the interpretation of those terms--is stupid.
TLDR: Glenn Beck is that angry loudmouth crackpot uncle at your family reunion.
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Randroid "Please change the channel if this will... if this will offend you..."
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BorrowedSolution     I think the whole concept of rights smacks of some sort of outside influence, be it a god or a government. We seem to forget that there must be some sort of mechanism that keeps humanity from spinning off into anarchy, or we wouldn't be here after thousands of generations before we even had the ability to write down such a thing as a law or a right. There's some very basic laws that I think are self-evident, and they all have fairly good regulatory systems, on a small scale.
There is always going to be a force of able-bodied peace-keepers in a given population. If the population is small enough (either by sheer lack of numbers or tight social groupings) a murderer, a thief, a cheating partner can't hide what they've done for long. Everybody finds out, and everybody deals with it, sometimes through the peace-keepers (ie. somebody loses their shit and starts going cut-crazy with a machete).
Why would they do the peace-keeping? Because they know everybody, and everybody knows them. Inaction in the face of a direct violation of the peace of the grouping would be construed as a crime unto itself. Humans know enough right to survive in the absence of a codified set of instructions.
And Glenn Beck's really just making the same mistake most of us do in assuming that without some sort of super or suprahuman entity is all that's keeping us going.
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BorrowedSolution *assuming that some sort of...
Kinda got turned around at the end, there.
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phalsebob      I have no clue what he is talking about with governments being footstools and thing- stockades?
But he's right that if a government gives you a right it may be taken away. Whereas God given rights can't be taken away. Thou shalt not kill. Have YOU ever been killed? No? Case closed.
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oogaBooga      This man is angrying up my blood.
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GravidWithHate      I'm having horrible visions of Glenn Beck joking about having burned down the capitol at a Dinner party in the third term of the Palin administration.
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facek      I like to point it out every time there's a Glenn Beck video that he is a Mormon and Mormons are fucking crazy, so...
This man believes his Space God comes from a Pantheon of Space Gods and bestowed rights onto his creations, and if you believe enough you just might get to be a Space God too and give rights to your creations too.
(But remember since God never changes his mind there are no Rights protecting you from Rape, Genocide, Slavery, etc. Those are provided by the ugly footstool.)
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nemeses9      Are there people who seriously take this guy seriously?
I thought O'Reilly was bad but Jesus, this assmunch makes him sound perfectly reasonable.
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pastorofmuppets Maybe I was too young during Clinton to notice all of the far-right bellyaching. But I feel like the limit of acceptable craziness has moved really far in the last 5 years or so. Coulter used to be controversial, but in retrospect her main thing is silly name-calling. Malkin, otoh, is downright violent. If Billo ever shocked people, those days are over. But Beck consistently calls for the destruction of most US institutions (and with the flag waving behind him). And it seems like Rush used to be seen as more of a fringe guy than he is now.
The tea partiers claim to want is a government resembling the one we had close to 100 years ago. That in and of itself is not weird, but the fact that a large amount of Republican congressman are involved with it is.
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RockBolt      But he recommends people go to the library to learn about how government is evil because books are free-
http://rawstory.com/2010/02/stewart-beck-socialist-libraries/
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memedumpster      We should probably not let this person's followers make the world as they see fit.
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Riskbreaker      Ugh, i can't watch this guy anymore. Pure evil.
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Maggot Brain CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 9 EDUCATION
SEC. 5. The Legislature shall provide for a system of common
schools by which a free school shall be kept up and supported in each
district at least six months in every year, after the first year in
which a school has been established.
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fermun      Doesn't the California constitution predate the USSR constitution?
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Goethe and ernie      What the fuck is he on about? So the right to education is bad because it was in the Russian constitution? Or is the right to education something so good and so natural that it shouldn't be included in constitutional documents? And what's the chair got to do with anything? Is education a god-given freedom that all Americans should have access to, or is it dirty commie propaganda? His rhetorical style leaves me confused.
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pastorofmuppets He's saying (albeit in a very roundabout way) that we should call Russian dressing "freedom condiment."
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Jeff Fries  Our rights do come from God, read the Declaration
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pastorofmuppets "Nature's God." Not "Glenn Beck's God" (who happens to be a polygamy-practicing deity called Elohim).
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TeenerTot Our rights come from "we the people". Read the Constitution.
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