Gomorrah, I would love to take you out for drinks and talk about this. I'll buy!
Night Train to Mundo Fine
Yes, this is as horrifying as it gets.
I know what'll knock some sense into brainwashed kids! An IDF bulldozer destroying their house!
So your instant reaction is "None of you give a flying fuck about Palestine." and "Seriously, you're all idiots."
You believe this justifies the way the Israelis have treated the Palestinian people, friend Baleen?
Many Israelis believe that Israel itself contributed to the rise of Hamas. Could you comment on this, friend Baleen?
I was extremely drunk last night, give me a break.
No, I don't think this "justifies" the way Israel treats Palestinians. This issue is complicated. What enrages me is the way the issue is treated, and the very suspect motivations of people who claim to care about the Palestinian "cause." I am angered by the way many poenews posters won't even listen to native Israelis in the forums, people who have much more to fear than the chubby assed pseudo-intellects sitting at home behind the safety of their terminals.
The pattern is kind of like this: "Palestinian" terrorists lash out against Israel, then the Israeli political sphere is pushed fuarther into reactionary territory. Rather than create a passive resistance which would immediately disable the worst of Israeli transgressions, Palestinians are manipulated by the worst kinds of fascists. Yassir Arafat, an Egyptian, or Hamas, propped up by Syrian Baathists who ultimately wish that Palestine was once again a slave state of Syria. I don't know how many times it's been said, but the people who are committing the worst atrocities against Palestine are their Arab neighbors, not Israel. So why are they not attacked with equal or even increased vigor? Why, because it isn't popular to do so, and because conservatives do it, and the last thing you'd want to do is argue against Noam Chomsky and on the side of shitheels like cena_mark, who of course simplifies everything for all the wrong reasons and doesn't give a shit about Palestinians or Israelis either.
I think that Palestinians and Israelis should continue murdering each other until one side wins. I don't think the United States should fund Israel, but I also find the motivations against Israel on this website to be unfounded. It's hip to hate Israel. I also think many on the left are tired of white Jews in America and their self-righteous parading around of ethnicity ("crocodile tears about the Holocaust"). They would never admit that this is the reason why they are motivated to participate in this issue, an issue that they don't understand and that has little bearing on their lives. The practice of white Jewish self-righteousness rubs homogenized, zero-ethnic white liberals the wrong way. So, finally those irritating white Jews get their comeuppance, and look, there are Finkelsteins and Chomskies who got my back and give me cred!
It is transparent to me. I believe that it lacks real compassion. I think it is fraudulent. I don't think that you guys actually care about Rachel Corrie or about the treatment of Palestine, but you do care about appearing like you care.
And no, you aren't all idiots, but I was pretty drunk when I got home last night and that's how I role when I'm on the internet and I'm drunk.
Night Train to Mundo Fine
The surrounding Arabic countries are bastards, I agree on this. On top of propping up corrupt Palestinian leaders, they often refuse to give Palestinian refugees full citizenship, thereby forcing them into a twilight position in which the now-impossible right of return (impossible because there are now too many Palestinian descendants to cram into that tiny country) is still pressed.
However, no, we still have a right to criticize Israel. Nobody in their right mind wants to push Israel into the sea or eliminate its statehood, but you cannot deny that it is a nation that was born out of ethnic reshuffling. Many Palestinians who lived within the 1948 borders were either forced out or scared out by the couple massacres that took place (yes, they happened, Israeli historians unearthed them). They thought they could return to their homes once the fighting died down, only to be kept out. And for that Israel carries responsibility. Does it make sense to hate Israelis? Fuck no. But hell yes we should criticize the IDF. It is quite possible to crack down on rocket launchers without raining white phosphorous on Gaza. Or get Hamas leaders without blowing up their cars in the middle of crowded streets.
The tragedy of Israel is that it was founded by reformers--people with profound, humanist ideas of how a state should be run. And they decided that Arabs didn't deserve the same treatment.
Admit it, both sides are full of awful people that have done awful things. Ariel the goddamned butcher indeed. Both sides are at fault, entirely, for how it's played out. Maybe not how it started, but then again not a single person in this forum actually is privy to the truth. It'd be nice to be able to have a viewscreen to the past, it'd shut a lot of people up. Unfortunately it wouldnt shut everyone up - there are always those who justify cruelty begetting cruelty.
The important thing is to fuel a mutual hatred.
This is one of the worst things on this site. Five stars!
I thought one of the kids would blow up or something.
I'm sorry. I thought this was poetv and not "Kids say the darndest things."
I don't speak Arabic. Is that what they're really saying?
There's a difference between criticizing Israel and hating Israel. I doubt most people on here outright hate Israel.. though I'm not sure about Gomorrah.
Gomorrah doesn't hate Israel. He merely hates Jews.
|Mister Yuck |
That's one of the most evil things I've seen on this site... yeah... shit.
blowing up for allah
blowing coke cause of my ma
blowing men cause of my pa
blowing myself cause of the missing rib
that they used to make my woman
|Lauritz Melchior |
That's one of the most disturbing things that I've seen here.
I think they're in kindergarten.
I don't think they grew up watching cartoons where the good people always tried to save the bad people after kicking their ass every episode, even though they knew it would go unappreciated. War, to them, will never be about saving the enemy.
Really though, their mother blew herself up and this is the socially mandated coping mechanism. Dear Hamas, stop being fucking Jews.
Our cartoons rock, I saw one where Captain Planet solved the Troubles in North Ireland by disarming a nuclear weapon.
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