Is that the lone Tea Bagger with dreds?
che. what a hero. maybe if i murder 200 people i'll get my face plastered on the shirts of the privileged whiteys that make up american "culture"
If you want some privileged white pussy it really couldn't hurt.
Please tell me how Che murdered 200 people?
FUCK YOU WHITEY I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT TO YOU. YOU ENSLAVED ME.
He murdered them by shooting them in the neck.
After the Cuban Revolution, Che Guevara was essentially assigned the task of deciding what people from the old regime deserved to die for their pre-revolutionary behavior. Some of them he executed personally.
His personal philosophy on the issue was that if he or someone in the revolution hadn't taken the initiative to do this, mob justice would have occurred and it would have become a French Revolution-style bloodbath and chaos, so he felt it was the right way to do it. I'm not defending him, just saying, that was the idea behind it.
I think that's technically a "tu quoque" fallacy, not a straw man
Actually, that's just the revolutionary's application of Nurnburg Principles.
That's not meant in jest, nor to Godwin. That the recipients of retroactive application of judgement were Nazis means nothing to me, I'm only highlighting that Victor's Justice is used by every successful military, calling Che a murderer for it denies him- or any in his belief system- the right to actually believe he was correct in doing so, that those he deemed worthy of execution to be evil in his eyes, that to the revolutionary, those they have deposed are little different, morally at least, than the Nazi hierarchy judged at Nurnburg.
You might argue that some process of legality separates the summary judgements exercised by successful military revolutions or even coups and the trials of the defeated Nazi hierarchy, but then it would be countered by the fact that it has long been elucidated quite eloquently that the verdicts of Nurnburg were decided long before any defendants took the stand and the trials themselves were merely technical gestures wrought to allay any suspicions that the victors of the conflict were intent on meting out corporal justice regardless of whether they were actually correct in doing so.
And, of course, that is in no way an argument against the validity of the Nurnburg judgements, but only an attempt to show that the same endgame- execution- is carried out by Victors everywhere.
If Che is thus a murderer, as he is the one accused of making those decisions, the only difference (if it is true he actually believed the deposed to be no morally better than the Nazis were) is the pretence of following legal technicalities and putting on a show trial for others to some how deem the executions then just.
But, Nurnburg was an international trial. The miscarriage of justice in the persecution of a deposed regime would remain an internal matter, and thus at worst be considered a case of human rights abuse. If one wishes to argue this, then the internal process of any country immediately becomes suspect to review, and the native country of any individual who intends to grant themselves the right to review the domestic structure of others, now becomes subject to that same review.
And there are no countries or nation states on this planet that do not oppress, systematically or incidentally human beings. There are only hypocrites and armchair heroes who turn a blind eye to their own failures while screeching hysterically at how others must be brought to justice, or judged.
Or, whatever. They're all brown people any ways.
Damn. When did alll these posts happen?
African Science: Who you calling whitey whitey?
The rest of y'all: viva Che!
I used to work for a guy whose dad handed down the order to assassinate Che.
He is an ex Deadhead and smokes a ton of weed.
|WHO WANTS DESSERT |
Attention whores given attention. People standing in a circle shouting trash that does nothing but reinforce their own beliefs while alienating those who don't share said beliefs were approached by an elderly man, who proceeded to shout trash that does nothing but reinforce his own beliefs while alienating those who don't share said beliefs. Thankfully not a single fuck was given that day, as both sides were too busy shouting at each other to actually think or learn or do anything except feel a smug sense of self-superiority and a rush of euphoria brought on by hyperventilating from shouting all day.
|Caminante Nocturno |
EH EH EH EH EH EH EH!
DOO DOO DOO DOO!
"I hear Cuba's nice this time of year!"
O shit, no coming back from that one!
That was a pretty good retort.
Granted, it'd be a lot nicer if we could resurrect Batista and turn it into a giant Sandals resort.
This is what passes for political discourse in this day and age.
but wheres the fisticuffs senior?
and... uh.. cuba is actually beautiful this time of year..
|Goethe and ernie |
I'm firmly on China's side
Not that I would side with the old guy, but I am envious of his stentorian voice. It seems to overpower everything around him.
|Syd Midnight |
Sort of reminds me of how parakeets like getting into arguments with mirrors.
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