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Toenails
Gawd. Will this douchebag ever stop topping himself?

"I went as a neophyte into the porn industry"

Oh shut up you sad little man. There's no way in hell you went into the porn industry as some fucking "neophyte".
kingarthur
He's right on with what he says, but that Harvard education unfortunately makes an appearance despite himself.

baleen

Are you inspired to do anything? What is the responsibility of intellectuals in this country? Why is the Nation completely irrelevant to actual working people? Discuss.

baleen

Seriously guys, don't you think this guy is kind of a sheister making money out of silly mind games.
"Professional wrestling and popular culture are perfect examples of what is happening to America." Are you fucking serious?

kingarthur
As sociological symptoms? Absolutely.

oswaldtheluckyrabbit
I like Barthes on professional wrestling better

kingarthur
And, if anything, I'm inspired to do MUCH more just by listening to this guy. It's high time everyone heard just how close to the fucking precipice we are.

baleen

What are you inspired to do? If he is acting as a catalyst, that's great, but I'm not feeling it. Noam Chomsky inspired me in high school (that was in the 90's...), but then he lost me. Slavoj Zizek inspires me mainly because he makes me criticize my pathological belief system. Chris Hedges makes me feel comfortable in my belief system, and I hate that. I hate agreeing with him. It makes me sick to my stomach.

The fact is many of the things this man is saying just are not completely true. We lost a lost of wealth in the recession, true, but real American household wealth grew back to about $60 trillion dollars this year. That's not exactly an overarching collapse. Chinese imports are increasing, we are seeing a slow recovery, we have a left leaning Supreme Court, gays are now open in the military, we have the bedrock of a universal healthcare system that may just get better and not worse, new energy is on the rise, there's a farm in Greenpoint on a warehouse roof that is growing 30 tons of food this year... I just see progress, albeit not at the pace we'd hope and not without taunting obstacles. That's life.

I have a lot of problems with how things get done in this country, I am terrified, as I'm sure you all are as well, of the "Tea Party" and the mass redistricting that is going to occur. The more you soak yourself in the previous great obstacles this country has faced, however, the more you can put things into perspective. There also many, many amazing things that are going on. How exactly is globalization falling apart? What does that even mean exactly?

There are African families using $80 Chinese solar panels to power their cell phones and light bulbs, cell phones which will store their money in digital form and allow them to become economic citizens free from the meddling of corruption. Microlenders from America are creating a low cost housing market in India for tens of millions of people that have had no property rights for generations. I don't really see these indicators of a failing globalized market. Then again, South Koreans are buying millions of acres of Africa and forcing farmers off their land. I mean, it depends how you fucking look at it, I guess that's my point.

It helps to look at progress in the continuum of events, and to be directly involved in physical changes around you that are having positive net results and to extricate yourself from the world of ideas that reinforce your belief system in general. Most importantly, it is far more useful to be a person that can build coalitions that do great works then a person that simply knows the truth.

kingarthur
Try this on for size. You're lumping too much together. What's happening locally?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUKn19Sg0vo&feature=related

kingarthur
Also, Zizek is primarily speaking in glossolalia half the time.

kingarthur
And do you really want to know why the Chinese solar panels cost only $80?

kingarthur
And this one. Knowledge drops after the 2:00 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOjGCzPgAAM&feature=channel

poorwill
I found Slavoj Zizek to be a raging sophist tard and a moral degenerate from what I've heard (not much - just his 'first as tragedy then as farce). What should I read or watch to dispel this?

kingarthur
Define: Zizek,

http://www.skepdic.com/glossol.html

memedumpster
I like this guy, but this video leaves me less enthused than his other ones did and seems to only want to inspire people to feel like victims. I find his views on the things I like (such as old school wrestling, porn, vidya games, and other aspects of pop-culture) to be scapegoating in favor of the causes of real problems. His negativity towards hope and possibility are also just as valid an example of magical thinking as the one he gives. He likes to say "that will never happen" without realizing how fundamentalist it sounds.

Also, the things he says about "corporations" or "the military" in general is a great big motive fallacy. America, as a global corporate empire, could up and do something good with it if it wanted to, since we're the ones who make up its body. He sets people up to accept that a different system would be better by virtue of being different and it's obvious now in America how manipulable people are who think that way.

Note that trying to think objectively and not be all "raaaar empire baaaaad' is an idiosyncrasy for me, and probably wont last to the next video I comment on about this kind of thing.


pastorofmuppets
Hedges picks targets that make him sound liberal, but his views on morality are shockingly backward. The Tipper Gore "pop culture is killing us" stuff is at best annoying (and at worst, classist), and paired with his assumption that humans are inherently evil... I'll pass this time.

kingarthur
I love this man.
Hooker
Hahaha. This interviewer manages to out-insufferable Hedges.

Also, I love the bit about John Layfield (the wrestler) at the beginning. Professional wrestling has a long history of using real life as the basis for the gimmicks wrestlers use. For example, Kurt Angle really won a gold medal in Olympic wrestling in 96, so that formed the near entirety of his gimmick. Similiarly, many people might know that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels despised each other in reality, and much of that was used in their fueding. Well, similarly, Layfield (who previously had a bouncer gimmick) was re-tooled as a Ted DiBiasi rich-guy sort of character because he was, outside of wrestling, highly successful on the stock market. Yet it's deftly played up here like the tail is wagging the dog and he appears on Fox and whatever because his gimmick is stock trader, as opposed to them both being the result of one root cause.
kingarthur
How are you not proving his point?

Hooker
I guess I'm not sure what his point is, if you think that supports it. Could you explain the point of his wrestling / John Layfield story?

kingarthur
The events played out in wrestling soap operas and popular culture mimic the sociological aspects of the culture at large which is one of exploitation, backstabbery, and manipulation as espoused by the entertainment media of our liberal-capitalist society. Therefore, capitalist wrestlers and increasingly violent and exploitative porn.

Hooker
And then the continued on to say that the process folds in on itself, where Layfield goes on news outlets to talk about stocks, strongly implying that they bring him on because he plays a trader in wrestling, which is false.

pastorofmuppets
Not to be too predictable, but... pretty much the only thing I expect of someone who wants to lecture me on "delusional thinking" is that he didn't go to seminary.
kingarthur
Not to be too much of a chauvanist, but...

Riskbreaker
I'll just quote somebody who sum it up better:

"I don't think you're quitting because you believe these things you say. I don't. I think you want to believe them, because you're quitting. And you want me to agree with you, and you want me to say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. It's all fucked up. It's a fucking mess. We should all go live in a fucking log cabin." But I won't. I don't agree with you. I do not. I can't."

BTW Mr Hedges, the video game industry now makes even more money than the porn industry. When are you going to point the finger at them for infiltrating america with their illusions of violence? You know what, everything is a metaphor of everything when you have enough free time to bullshit yourself with pseudo-intellectual masturbation exercises.
kingarthur
Except he's not giving up. Refer to the link in my replies for proof. Way to knee-jerk there, guy.

kingarthur
Unless you mean giving up on capitalist dominance, neo-liberalism, and neo-conservatism. Because then, yes, absolutely.

Riskbreaker
I don't want this guy on the team. Seriously, his wrestling/porn crap is probably one of the worst things i've heard in a while. I could tell you an Archie comic is a mirror of the american dream or some shit like that, and heck, even that would make more sense. Most people like to watch movies and tv to escape their daily problems? No shit! Give the guy a medal for being so obvious!

Also, we all live by and for capitalism, like it or not. Socialism and other political systems still work to make just a couple of people filthy rich.

kingarthur
And where in my or Hedges' argument was there an appeal to utopia?

Also, maybe reading a few things about Socialism and Social Democracy would serve to better enlighten oneself before drooling from the mouth.

poorwill
The bible makes any given wrestling arc look wholesome and decent. The bible makes Bible Black look tame. But Hedges is all about the bible. Which has had a bigger effect on American culture, and which is merely reflective of it? Dude is a creep, a fool and a hypocrite.

William Burns
It turns out badmouthing our global military empire gets a lot of people kinda defensive.
oswaldtheluckyrabbit
It is possible to badmouth our global military empire and not be a James Howard Kunstler-esque pontificating moron

Caminante Nocturno
People who speak a great deal but never say anything substantial tend to attract very aggressive sycophants.
kingarthur
Yeah, okay. Here's my mea culpa.

I spent most of the night researching this guy and listening to an odd lecture or four by him (I have a malfunctioning smoke alarm and no one could sleep anyway) and though a lot of what he says is right on, I feel fairly embarassed about defending him now simply for the fact that he is A FUCKING DOWNER.

He absolutely does encourage a victim mentality and his arguments are by far skewed towards the fatalistic. He presents the worst-case scenario as wrote fact and that's not the case as there may be ways to change things from here on in.

I'm chalking this up to being fairly pissed at the Obama administration giving a tax cut to the wealthy and me still unable, five years post-Katrina, to find a full time job.

So, sorry guys. I appreciate the appeals to reason despite my being a dogmatist on this one. You helped pull me back from the brink of despair, so hats off to you.
kingarthur
I'm an angry man, basically, and this guy pretty well sums up my emotional state.

It doesn't make him right, as you guys are right to point out.

kingarthur
An accurate criticism of the book Hedges is promoting here. It's lengthy, but worth reading:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/pessimism-porn-chri s-hedges_b_788504.html

Riskbreaker
My advice would be to stop listening to this man, specially if it gets you down that much. He's preaching to a choir, not only he's not discovering anything "new" regarding the topics he discusses, he adds nothing worthwile to the whole discussion. It's ok to feel rage about all the crap in this world, but don't live just for that, because it cuts reason, and this world needs people that use reason, a lot.

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