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Desc:MLMs exposed. Watch this before you sign up for one, please.
Category:Crime, Educational
Tags:Penn and Teller, bullshit!, MLM, Amway, Penn and Teller Bullshit
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WHO WANTS DESSERT - 2011-01-11
This is one of the few episodes that strikes a good balance between entertaining and informative. I'm the type of person who passes over Bullshit! because nine times out ten it's just P&T pushing their politics, and even I like this one.
Menudo con queso - 2011-01-11
Not funny haranguing about something everyone already knew was a scam + Anti-Social Security propaganda = Fuck off forever Penn Jillette.
IrishWhiskey - 2011-01-11
They do fine when mocking mindlessly obvious issues, but the second they hit something complex or political, logic goes off the rails:

"Drug laws in this country are crazy! We're locking up people for life-sentences for harmless, non-addictive marijuana!.....
....And just how retarded are laws keeping kids from buying cigarettes and alcohol!"

"These energy crystals and homeopathic medicines are complete scams! Look how stupid this woman is trying to explain them!...
...And that's why we need to deregulate the drug industry! They know science and are smart!"

"These products labeled organic and green are actually just marketing terms. Companies have figured out how to trick consumers into feeling less guilty....
....The solution is to not give a crap about the environment. Toxic waste and air quality laws must also equally be a scam!"

"Most people drive above the speed limit....
....so why bother having traffic laws at all!"

Caminante Nocturno - 2011-01-11
It's a common libertarian tactic to wrap up their completely wrong beliefs in common-sense statements like this.

baleen - 2011-01-12

There needs to be a word that saves 19th century social minded libertarianism from their grasp. Like.... blobbertarianism.

thebaronsdoctor - 2011-01-16
They're Objectivists, what more do you expect?

This show, South Park and King of the Hill are the poster children for a television phenomenon known as "Asshole libertarian syndrome" in which a show with decent humor or premise is ruined by the angry political ramblings of its writers.

jangbones - 2011-01-11
When I was 16 years old I went to a Cutco knives "job interview"...direct marketing, another permutation of this MLM shit. 30 minutes in I knew the whole thing was bullshit, and I ain't a fucking genius.

How many stupid, amoral people can there possibly be in America? How many people think this can actually work?

If you don't want to watch this whole thing, go to part 2 and watch from about 9:30, that sums it up nicely.
fluffy - 2011-01-11
I know a lot of people who have been dragged into the CutCo scam thinking they could use it to pay for college or whatever, and in the end they ended up alienating all their friends (who got sick of getting their incessant BUY THESE KNIVES!!! pitches) and barely breaking even on their original "investment." Some of them did like the knives and continued to swear by them years later, even though those knives are pretty much shit designed very specifically to work well for a few demo purposes but are pretty horrible for real uses.

blue vein steel - 2011-01-11
my girlfriend used to sell cutco knives in college and made pretty good money doing it (got paid to go to some big convention), but she was a rare case, although I got a sweet fillet knife/ fish hook remover/ descaler/ hook sharpener.

and non-magic P&T is always 1 star.

Caminante Nocturno - 2011-01-11
Many years ago, I sold CutCo for about half a year. I did well enough until I ran out of people well-off enough to spend money on fancy cutlary, at which point I just quit. I don't remember them trying to trick me into building a team of salespeople, but maybe I skipped that part of the orientation. God help anyone who hitched their wagon to CutCo expecting to make a long-term living.

Some of my old friends will still make fun of me on account of me looking like a dork when I sold knives.

Robin Kestrel - 2011-01-12
I had a similar "interview" with Vector Marketing in the pre-internet days for a job description that did not even hint about direct-selling knives; ended up walking out once I figured out it was the same as CutCo. Oh, and they also wanted to collect an "application fee" from me... how sleazy is that?

Tameriaen - 2011-01-11
I thought this was a dupe, but the other submission is missing the first part.

You might want to change the Penn and Teller Bullshit tag to just "Bullshit!" so its the same as the other submissions.
Valkor - 2011-01-11
People who fall for this aren't amoral or bad. Falling for a scheme doesn't make you a bad person.
RomancingTrain - 2011-01-11
It makes stupid people feel safer to blame the victims. "If only amoral morons an be taken in by these schemes then OBVIOUSLY I have nothing to worry about."

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2011-01-11
Probably would have been worth at least four stars if Penn could have resisted the urge to drag social security in by the hair. If MLMs don't work, then Social Security is no MLM. It's saved millions from desperate poverty, and it's not crumbling, it's just going to need to be adjusted. Oh, the crap this self-styled skeptic has swallowed! He's also full of shit when he talks about climate change.
Caminante Nocturno - 2011-01-11
As you enter the Mancave, your party is attacked by a pair of zriis.

Roll initiative.
Enjoy - 2011-01-11
One-star this shit. I don't care. I posted it as catharsis for every time I've been approached in a mall or grocery store by some well dressed jackass who finds some strange reason to start a conversation and then invite me to a business meeting.

Or every time a cousin calls up out-of-the-blue with a buisness opportunity he wants me to attend. Or each neighborhoold lady who invites my wife over to a party to buy vanilla-scented candles and an *opportunity to earn residual income*. Or the constant stream of videos and links adorning facebook by well-meaning friends who are now certified Beachbody By P90X instructors growing their wildly successful franchise.

Each one of you MLM victims can take your sad businesses and shove them up your sad asses. I'm not sure why I look like an easy target but when I'm in Westfield Mall, I'm buying shoes or a salami and not listening to your bullshit rehearsed sales pitch. I feel better now.
Caminante Nocturno - 2011-01-11

Sudan no1 - 2011-01-11
Hey, your cousins and friends' credit scores probably aren't good enough to get real jobs, and they're trying to make money instead of sucking from the welfare teat. You should be happy :)

Riskbreaker - 2011-01-11
I was thinking this was a dupe, but anyway, most people here will one star Penn and Teller out of pure libertarian hate, without even bothering to watch the whole thing. Yes, i hate when they go on libertarian rants, but sadly nobody else has gone to tackle some of the subjects they take, at least not on tv. Just because we already know this is bullshit doesn't mean there's no point in examining how some people fall into this crap.

spikestoyiu - 2011-01-11
No, I'm pretty positive that at least MLMs have been picked apart in the press, on TV, in books, etc. (albeit in a less abrasive and therefore potentially less interesting manner to some people). But people are stupid and will continue to fall for them for all of eternity.

Riskbreaker - 2011-01-12
True, but for good or bad people prefer a more condensed version of things. A tv show that goes straight to the point will attract more attention to the subject than dozens of books, or news articles. Also, once more, i think people here just focus on who is saying what instead of what are they saying. P&T giving their take on the subject shouldn't be ignored just because it has been already discussed. You could say the same thing for dozens of topics.

Syd Midnight - 2011-01-12
So Enjoy, how does it feel to hate capitalism? Unnatural but strangely arousing?

Mambazo - 2011-01-11
The best Bullshit! episodes are the ones you can send to your family and friends outlining why it's probably a bad idea to get into bed with Mona Vie, or set up an appointment for dolphin therapy or a colonic. The ones with little to no real libertarian agenda pushing that informs as much as it entertains.

Yeah there's the SSN line at the end, but who cares.
The Snickler - 2011-01-11
Not for P and T (though I generally do like their act well enough), but because one of my friends is one of the Multi-Level Marketers in this episode.
mantang0 - 2011-01-11
the best bullshit episode was the one where they proved passive smoking wasn't harmful because the only evidence was a typo on some legal document somewhere.

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