Cena_mark
Is he your new hero now that Olberwoman is leaving? The guy uses the same tactics that O'reilly uses, which you find so despicable. You hypocrites only like it because he's on your side.

Chalkdust
mee moo mah mo meep moop muh mah moo

Innocent Bystander
So if even you can see that O'Reilly is a complete bag of shit, why are you always sticking up for him and his ilk?

memedumpster
Dammit, Cena, I watch these people all the time, and I was about to three star this for Matthew's blatantly trying to up the anger-rhetoric in the absence of Olbermann (and failing), but then you come along and make that juvenile crap seem cool.

So now I can't.

baleen

Cena, remember when you cried on webcam?

Cena_mark
Innocent Bystander: I've admitted before that Oreilly was a dick. When I stand up for him its because I might agree with him on a particular issue. Other times I stick up for him because he often gets torn apart in "OMG FAUX NEWS" rage. The anti Fox News rhetoric is mostly petty bullshit that must be challenged.
Memedumpster: I didn't mean to make it or Mathews seem cool. Fortunately he's on CNN, thus nobody watches his nonsense.
Baleen: Yes I remember crying on webcam, but that was tears of passion. I feared for America under Democrat hands. However I am now very confident in America's stability in the liberlest of storms.

StanleyPain
And yet, the irony is that with all their flaws, the founding fathers STILL had more intelligence, insight, and moral fiber than any of the tea party douchetards.

Valvados
The letters exchanged by John Adams and Thomas Jefferson are an absolutely fascinating read and provide some wonderful insight into their thoughts about law, government, and a multitude of other topics. Seriously worth a read if you're interested in that sort of thing.

They also quote Greek to one another. In Greek.

simon666
"Well, hahh-hahh, some kind of slavery ended after the Civil War."

Aoi
Translation: "But we got DEBT SLAVERY instead!"

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Soon the textbooks WILL fit nicely into their agenda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

Cena_mark
StanlyLAME: That's the point. We libertarians don't think the founding fathers were perfect, but they sure as hell are better than Pelosi and Obama.
This Sal guy as are most Tea partiers. I however would destroy Chris Matthews.

Chalkdust
wah woo wee woh wee wah woo woo wee woo wobba wobba wobba woo

Mother_Puncher
Why do idiots who are terrified of making their own decisions always look to dead people as a moral compass? Is it because those people can't be attacked? Because their message and ideas can be interpreted in whatever way the reader wants it to say? Or is it because you have a false sense of pride carrying on the work of men that have no relevance today? The Tea Party wants people to treat the founding fathers like Gods when they were far from it. Why can't these people adapt to modern times instead of trying to put a drum and penny whistle in our silversmith hands, Johnny Tremain? Instead of worshipping those dead people, why not take their core values of freedom and progress? Why does it have to be the symbolism and idoltry over action or thought? Nothing the Tea Party is doing is about freedom. They say smaller government but whine when gay marriage or abortion is brought up and want goverment intervention to stop it. I'm not a liberal, I don't like Chris Matthews or care for Obama but I'm above and beyond tired of a bunch of old, racist cadavers and privileged douchebag mouthbreathers dragging their feet and holding their breathe when it comes to social change and then trying to pull our society back to the colonial days so they can be more open about their closet revolution LARPing hobby.

Looking at you, Cena mark.

Shanghai Tippytap
Seriously, Mark? Libertarians have just now decided to hold their elected representative to the standards of the country's founders? I can't wait until you start holding some Republican politicians up to that standard as well.

Cena_mark
Muncher_Puncher, I think you've answered your own question. History is better than reality. Or at least before liberal historians started saying that Columbus was a murderer, Washington didn't really cut down a cherry tree, and that Lincoln wasn't that honest.
But anyways, why not take pride in our heritage and our nation's founders? If our polititians were to behave to those standards they'd be far better than they are now.
And it is the core values were after, but giving the values a face gives them more power.
And why do you say "looking at you mark" I'm socially liberal,
Tiawan Softshoe, I never said that. But I hope Republicans do hold them to more libertarian standards.

Mother_Puncher
Well here to be totally fair to certain right wing pundits: You know who else took pride in their heritage? Hitler. History: Nazis.

I'm saying there is no point in it. Everything is changing. The past doesn't explain who we are or where we are going. The actions a nation takes in the present matters more than how dead people lived. If you want to live in a fantasy world then by all means do. Just don't drag it into politics where the lives of millions are are stake.

spin cycle kitty
It's ok. You made up for it with Franken

Toenails
Don't forget Garrison Keillor.

joelkazoo
Thanks you two. I feel better.

hornung
and Neal Broten

delicatessen
Best Brains

MongoMcMichael
(Pssst! Jefferson was an agrarian farmer who felt that the federal government should be extremely limited. Politically speaking, he wasn't exactly liberal).

William Burns
He was so progressive that he allowed his slaves to fuck him.

simon666
He made some progress in hittin' dat ass!

cognitivedissonance
However, he LOVED France and French things.

Cena_mark
Jefferson would be Libertarian. He'd want a smaller government, but would be liberal in social issues like the question of gays in the military. And of course he'd be down with the NRA.
I might be the reincarnation of Jefferson.

Chalkdust
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MongoMcMichael
You're the reincarnation of Tugboat because you're a fat, clumsy, would-be wrestler who works for the Coast Guard.

Cena_mark
I'm not fat, I'm not clumsy and I don't work for the Coast Guard, I'm in the Coast Guard. People who work FOR the Coast Guard are Civillians and the Navy.

MongoMcMichael
"Not fat": We've seen your videos.
"Not clumsy": You can't even cut yourself right.

TUGBOAT GOES TOOT

Night Train to Mundo Fine
John Quincy Adams was only a bad president in that he was ineffectual--the man was simply bad at politics.

After his one term presidency he entered the House of Representatives, where he remained one of the only loud opponents of slavery in defiance of the gag rule and opposed the Mexican War and the annexation of Texas as plots to extend slavery's legality.

Bachmann's right to praise him, and while he doesn't count as a canonical "Founding Father" he's right up there in terms of significance. It's a pity she's wrong about everything else.

Night Train to Mundo Fine
He also defended the Africans in the Amistad case.

Cena_mark
Shortbreeze: He couldn't take down this mark.

Chalkdust
baa bee boo baa buh boo baa bee boo beh boo

Supahfly
5 for you. The video was great also.

TeenerTot
For your comments.

Spit Spingola
MSNBC should have a show called Chris Matthews the Insult Comic Dog.

Anaxagoras
I know. Kinda said, ain't it? Fortunately Chalkdust demonstrated the correct way to respond to Cena.

Cena_mark
baa bee boo baa buh boo baa bee boo beh boo

kingofthenothing
Cena must have beat off like ten times watching "The Road." It's a libertarian's dream come true. Oh, to be a child-raping cannibal, in a world with no more of this 'environment' stuff to worry about, and no government telling you what to do anymore.

Anaxagoras
Oh look. The monkey is able to imitate what others have done. How charming.

Cena_mark
Anarexic: There's a difference between libertarianism and anarchy. And the Road sucked. God you libs get it all wrong. I want our gov just a bit smaller, that's all.

poorwill
Then why don't you vote for your DICK?

kekeke

spikestoyiu
Clearly some of you have not learned anything from "Attack of the 50-Foot Eyesores", Simspsons' Treehouse of Horror VI. The way you deal with both enormous, ionically animated spokesthings is to ignore them, often with the help of Paul Anka. This strategy also works extremely well with trolls like Cena_mark. There is zero point in engaging him as he is not real and will not listen to you, no matter how much sense you make or how hilariously you phrase your point.

Ursa_minor
*sips scotch*