|Born in the RSR - 2011-06-18 |
From about 10:30 onward is the hive level. Now you tell me that DNF doesn't hate women more than duke3d!
If men can be shot in a game, it's not man hate, but if a woman can potentially be shot in a game its misogyny.
Give me a break.
Unless DNF actively advocates murdering innocent people, which AFAIK it never did, you're getting your feminist nipples in a twist.
Equal rights and all that, right? :D
I guess women have as much of a right to be blown up in video games as men do.
You should be considering this as progress. :P
@Burnov: Which FPS or other game has men, naked, attached to walls with their oversexed bits hanging out, demonstrating they're mentally deficient, sexually promiscuous, pleading for mercy, and you have to shoot them?
I'm not arguing for political correctness, just calling a spade a spade.
This has nothing to do with "hatred" of women.
When it comes down to it at it's core is nothing more than an exceptionally perverted take on the old "damsel in distress" trope that we've seen countless times in movies and games.
The fact that you see a woman restrained with her tits hanging out has absolutely no correlation to "hatred" at all. Its perverted, however most of the situations involving these helpless women involve a lot of white knighting comments by the main character.
Is it fucked up?
Hell yeah, its fucked up. Its gross and its got a lot of tired, antiquated themes, however does the game personally advocate that you blow these women up and kill them?
As far as I know its not.
The very worst you could accuse this game of being is chauvinsitic to the point of absolute hyperbole.
There's a fine line between that and "hating" women.
Only a braindead marxist would refuse to differentiate the two.
Yeah Burnov, keep arguing your stupid point. YEAH!
good one buddy you sure told him
I truly cannot fathom what the big problem with this kind of subject matter is, not only is it wholly unoriginal, having been done countless times before in comic books and films and even by its own predecessor, it is presented in such a ridiculous context that it is more or less impossible to take seriously. Does the video gaming world really want to be taken this seriously? Gripes about gameplay (and the wall tits...i cant really say anything about that) aside, I for one am totally baffled.
And I'd put fucking money down that you are the same people who liked Heavy Rain and thought Dead Space 2 was awesome.
Burnov, even the developers admit the game is 'misogynist'. I'm not saying it should be censored or anything, but you're being a weirdly defensive of a shitty game. MRA?
You don't often hear, "there's a fine line between X and Y and if you can't make it out you're a completely moron." Truly a feat of speaking out of both sides of one's ass.
burnov you stupid asshole
|Shanghai Tippytap - 2011-06-18 |
I love when the woman talks and it identifies her simply as "Female:". I think it's safe to say that only the worst manchildren use this term instead of "woman"
Yeah, because proper terminology is for misogynists!
yeah, im sure whenever an unnamed guy in the game speaks he's identified as "Male:"
"It strips somebody of their humanity when you use proper terminology, bauugh!"
Are you kidding?
'Female' was the least offensive thing I saw in the video.
|IrishWhiskey - 2011-06-18 |
Most of the time, they are enthusiastically mocking the game. But during the hive level it just becomes silence, punctuated by dispirited sighs and occasional glimpses of anger at having to play this.
|pastorofmuppets - 2011-06-18 |
Shooting tiny aliens from behind jars of peanut butter looks pretty rad, and I don't get why they dismiss it by saying platform hopping was "bred out of modern shooters for a reason."
I get that calling a rail shooter an FPS is hip right now, but let's not revel in the fact.
Sorry, does it need to be explained why platform jumping in FPS games is a bad idea? Isn't the fact that you can't really look at the ground in front of you an obvious defect? Reviews and gamers criticized that aspect of Metroid Prime when it came out 10 years ago, and that was actually designed as a platformer. There's a good reason the only shooters still using it are third-person based. The fact that a defect is in a good game, like HL1, doesn't make it not a defect.
|Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2011-06-18 |
actually I reckon games have diversified. Back in the day fps games had a mix of things. Now there are games with only shooting for people who want that. Probably the closest thing at heart nowadays to an oldschool shooter is an "action" game like infamous or uncharted
|Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2011-06-18 |
Also, strangely, I've watched/read quite a few reviews of this. I will not bother even pirating it. But I'm still fascinated, like rubbernecking at a road accident
|StanleyPain - 2011-06-18 |
It says a lot about an FPS game when you can do a 52 minute video review of it and only about 10 minutes or so actually contains any action. Still, I don't see why people are surprised that a Duke Nukem game is so thoroughly mediocre and boring. It's early 90s FPS design in a 21st century engine....isn't that what people were expecting? I certainly didn't think DNF would be very good and now we know it's not even up to THAT weak expectation.
As for the sexism in the game, I honestly don't see it being any worse than the shit they pulled in the previous DNF games. It's socially retarded for sure, but it's so ridiculous in its offensiveness that anyone, especially women, seriously offended by it should probably direct their energies to sexism in places where it matters a lot more than in a juvenile video game that no one will remember in a year or so. I think taking it as seriously as so many are is giving it a credibility it never, ever earned. But hey, now it's over and we can bury Duke forever, yay.
Well, that's true they may very well decide to do that. But, I get the feeling that DNF was more Gearbox trying to put something on their resume. Basically they can say "hey, we were given this piece of shit and told to try and salvage it into something at least moderately profitable" and now they can say they did what they could with it. I doubt, however, that they want to make a career out of the Nukem franchise, profitable or not. As I understand it, the "read between the lines" from Randy Pitchford was that this was basically to make some money and earn a little cred so they can move on to projects they'd rather be doing, one of them being Borderlands 2.
For my two cents, Gearbox basically shat in the punchbowl by rushing the game and cutting it to peices.
There was supposed to be a large chunk of the single player campaign left, where Duke was supposed to met up with his female (yes, FEMALE! Blow me, Shanghai Tippytap) sidekick Bombshell and go to space to blow up the Alien homeworld, return to earth, go on the talkshow again and THEN announce that he would run for president. Granted we dont know anything about how good that stuff would have been, because 3D Realms basically handed Gearbox all the disjointed bits of DNF crap they had, finished or unfinished, broken or balanced.
As it stands now, if you are not playing DNF's multiplayer you're doing it wrong.
|NineEleven - 2011-06-18 |
I don't care about what game it is, these dorks make a shitty video
The other guy is tolerable, but the co-dude is pretty annoying. I especially like Eddie Deezen-nerd going "Dude, you completed Duke Nukem Forever!" 'Cause, you know, he really sounds like someone who can dump on someone for having played a bad video game.
Also: Sweet crap, this fucking game...
|Spit Spingola - 2011-06-18 |
Not work safe, if anybody cares.
This game is kind of amazing. It's like Beavis and Butthead made it. Some parts of this game are ugly but almost competent and then other parts look like the Xbox Live Indie Game section. Expecting a really precipitous price drop in this game, probably under within a year.
I like Giant Bomb's five hour long quick looks of games when they're bad and half the video is load screens. If you like this there's also a podcast where they make fun of Duke Nukem Forever for about another 20 minutes.
Giant Bomb is probably the most entertaining game site I know right now. For those with the patience, their endurance runs are fucking hilarious.
I liked their reviews of Microsoft's Game Room on Xbox 360. You got to watch failure unfold over months as they kept releasing dozens of shitty Intellivision games because nobody else would license their games for it and then Krome goes out of business and the service collapses.
I liked Game Room and wanted it to succeed but it was still pretty epic.
|FABIO - 2011-06-19 |
The creepiest thing about this game isn't anything that's actually in the game.
Anyone old enough to remember and give a shit about Duke Nukem is around 25-40 now. Imagining someone in that age range still excited to see this stuff is the most disturbing part.
Also I remember a women's studies professor speaking at one of my college psych classes (around 9 years ago) and her presentation of how horrible men are (and how victimized women are) included a lot of clips of Duke Nukem (3D) giving money to and shooting strippers.
The look of utter rage on her face when most of the auditorium erupted into laughter.
By the looks of it, that women's studies professor has multiple accounts on POETV.
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