|Hank Friendly |
not to be a downer but i have a feeling this is going to suck
The thing about Bateman's movies in general is that the exposition and first two acts are way more interesting than the third act climax: Batman Begins and Inception.
I still can't believe how highly regarded Dark Knight was and wonder how much of it was due to Ledger's death. It was a silly comic book movie trying so hard to be serious commentary (trust our billionaire overlords with anti-terrorist surveillance!).
Hey fabio, you're an idiot.
The whole little cellphone thing was a tiny subplot in the movie, and by spazzing about it you sound like you never even saw the movie and are basing your opinion off another idiots movie blog.
It is well regarded because it was GOOD. It is rated higher than the first film because it had more charecters in it to take away from bale's moody crap.
And yes, Ledger did a great job playing a well written role.
haha, I'm the one spazzing.
Holy shit I just read all your other spittle-flinging comments.
Tell me about your comic book issues, son.
In their defense, FABIO, you've always had an amazing talent for bringing that sort of reaction out of people.
I mean that as a sincere compliment.
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This is going to rule, and the people tripping over themselves to say how much it will suck just because the last one was so popular will make its greatness all the sweeter.
|Dread Pirate Roberts |
Nolan's batman movies are okay, but IMHO: They are way too long and drawn-out. This hurts their appeal to me. If I wanna sit through an epic 3 hour experience, I want to know damn well the story is going somewhere and that we will have character development.
Bale's batman has been one of the most one-dimensional characters on screen. The problem is we're told and expected to identify with a character. Proper characterization has us coming to this conclusion on our own. However, Bale plays a very boring batman (better than the 90s incarnations, but still).
While I'm at it, IMHO: The 90s Cartoon Network batman series was the best by far. It showed the pain batman endures and still let's him kick ass. I swear, I haven't watched "batman begins" since it came out just because it takes two hours to actually get to anything entertaining. The first half is just teenage-bait bullshit ninja fodder.
Seriously, nobody really doesn't like these movies. The first two are among the greatest action films ever produced. Most people who hate on them are just trying to sound cool, then they go back to pretending they love and understand 2001 A Space Odyssey.
Both Batman movies are great, and I love and understand 2001.
Did I just blow your mind?!
I don't think you NEED to be able to identify with a lead character for him to be good. In fact, in some stories that can be detrimental to the narrative. It can be just as fascinating to get into the head of someone who is UNLIKE us, and allow us to understand that person better, giving us the enjoyment of discovery instead of the familiarity of recognition.
I have very little in common with Bale's Bruce Wayne, but I've still enjoyed watching him develop throughout what I think are two excellent films. He really need to lose the forced raspy voice, though.
Cartoon Network series?
Kid...I would like to have a word with you.
Can anyone translate mumble-speak? "Batman…wheeze…Batman…gaak…"
"Batman...why didn't you get me to quit smoking, this cancer shit sucks...Batman....your costume needs nipples"
|Hank Friendly |
for the record: I enjoy the first two movies, I have liked all of nolans movies, but I sense an unnatural aura of stupidness about this. Bane is a lame villain, 75% of the inception cast, a director clearly running out of ideas, and the most grievous offense of all, somehow trying to put catwoman in this movie. Let that last one sink in for a minute. Think about it. Despair.
Bane is an awesome villain: a crime boss who was smart enough to conquer the entire Gotham criminal underworld, AND figure out Batman's secret identity, AND beat his ass harder than anyone ever beat it before. Plus he invented a super-steroid that makes him strong enough to punch your car in half. If this were a Street Fighter bonus stage, he'd get SO MANY POINTS.
Also he wears a Luchador mask. I don't know what else you people could want out of a villain, or out of life.
Worked in 1992. I'm acutally interested in how it will be handled in the bleak reality of this telling.
The Great Hippo
Bane was a fucking *awesome* villain, but he had only one good story in him--Knightfall. After that, there wasn't much of a point. I'd expect Nolan to realize this, and to use that aspect of Bane.
As for Catwoman--remember Scarecrow in Batman Begins? Crane was integrated into Ra's al Ghul's storyline pretty flawlessly, and all it took was a subtle hand and a few nods to the original concept (he terrifies his patients with a scarecrow mask).
There are a lot of ways they can come at this and not make it feel incredibly campy; I'm willing to wait and see if they can pull it off.
allow me to expand upon my own idea for a moment. While it seems probable to me that this movie will not turn out well, none of this is really Nolan's fault. It can be inferred from a lot of the early speculations and information released about the film that there was considerable pressure from both the studios and the fanbase to see a third Nolan Batman. This incarnation of the franchise has proven infinitely profitable, so we can be sure that they put it to Nolan in such a way that there was no way he could sanely refuse. The unfortunate reality of the circumstances however is that without Ledger, the range of possibilities is automatically reduced to a much shallower pool. While my personal favorite joker(and overall favorite representation of Batman) is Mark Hamill from the original animated series, I find it unquestionable that Ledger's performance was anything but superior for the Nolan version of Gotham. Had he not been an asshole and killed himself, Nolan could have easily lifted 75% of "The Killing Joke" and rolled with it to a fully successful third film, and if not that, any of the other quality Joker storylines from over the years. So, what we are left with after all of this is the inevitable fate of any non-comic book Batman media: sinking further and further into trivial absurdity. The moment people found themselves unable to instantly call to mind a villain for the third movie, the descent into foolishness began. The fact is, the subject matter for a serious, captivating film just isnt there, at least not in the two and a half hour time frame. That Nolan could make this movie without some amount of pandering to popular interest (read: Michael Bayifying) is all but unthinkable.
scarecrow worked in begins because there was barely any of him in the movie
Boy, that's a whole lot of baseless conjecture and speculation for an action film.
Cognitive: The Green Lantern movie isn't part of the same continuity. Nolan has actually been pretty adamant about there being no other superheroes in his universe (not even Robin.)
Also, I could see them turning Bane into a Lex Luthor type without too much of a stretch.
Bane is a superb villain, putting side his questionable appearance (even in the comics, the luchador thing is badly inserted). He's intelligent but he's also the rare villain who is a physical match for Batman without having some weird, supernatural/over-the-top aspect to him like Clayface or Killer Croc. Even without the venom drug (which I seriously doubt they're even going to bother with in this film) Batman still fears him.
Basically what this means is we'll probably see a Batman film where the villain is less about secretive head games and more about doing brutal shit and trying to beat the shit out of Batman with his bare hands. I predict the plot will have something to do with Bane controlling the League of Shadow (or even possibly working against them). The casting of the younger Ra's Al Ghul might actually mean the character will come back and not just be a flashback cameo (and there have been set reports from extras saying that the sets and scenes being filmed looked basically like someone being reborn in a Lazarus Pit) In any case, I hold high hopes for it...I think Nolan has earned some credit at this point.
Bane is just a fucking "Doomsday" for Batman.
There was no thought put into his character other than "Who could defeat Batman in a mano-a-mano battle?" "Shit, I don't know, a wrestler?"
Yeah he defeated Batman in a fight. But come on guys, Batman got better.
Full Disclosure: I really got into Batman during his Knightfall story line. But,
1) I was a pimple-faced teen that didn't know a good story if it stuck its finger up my butt.
2) I also enjoyed the "Death of Superman" storyline when it came out.
Everyone shitting the bed over batman movies not sticking to the source or whatever is a waste of skin. Batman was made for kids for fucks sake.
The last two were alright action movies with way too much moody bullshit. This looks to be moody bullshit overdrive. I hope in the end Bruce Wayne realises that he is acting like a complete self-centered prick and decides to fight crime by donating $10B to the police force.
I found the answer to my question: Batman is a masterfully written treatise on the human condition for the Cena Marks of the world.
They also get their understanding of the Middle East from Transformers movies.
|MacGyver Style Bomb |
5 for the comments. You earned it, guys.
One thing i will like to see go away: the PG-13 rating. This kept us from seeing the joker do more nasty stuff in the previous movie. Aside from that, NO love interest for Batman, that's what really annoys me in every single Batman movie ever fucking made, DON'T give him a love interest if you don't know how to write the female character, and less if you are going to give the role to an awful actress like Katie Holmes.
From reading this, my neck beard grew a handlebar mustache which is now feeding the beard Cheetos.
With shit out there like Transformers, can't we just enjoy the Batman ride?
|Caminante Nocturno |
I'm so glad I'm into anime instead of American comics.
You'd never see anime fans doing this kind of shit.
Dread Pirate Roberts
You have heard the rumors they are making Akira into a live action movie set in New York and starring Leonardo Decaprio, right?
Your day will come too...
They're not rumors anymore. Warner Bros. is moving ahead with the Akira film despite the massive outcry about how stupid it is and the fact that everyone who had initially been hired to work on it for the last few years has decided to quit realizing how stupid an idea it is.
In their weird desperation to make an Akira film, they're basically changing the storyline completely from the manga and just deciding to make it about a guy trying to rescue his friend from government medical experimentation on his psychic abilities and probably removing 80% of anything else even remotely relevant from the manga.
DiCaprio probably isn't starring in it, but he's producing it.
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Bitching about remakes is worthless: if they change things then people complain that it's not true to the original, if they don't change things then people complain that it's pointless.
American Akira http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafd97yJFOI
I'm glad to see Bane being turned into a film villain worthy of the adaptation..and who knows, maybe Nolan will end the series on a bummer and decide to let him win (or least cripple Batman).
That last shot of Batman sort of backing away from Bane is almost enough to resurrect my old, comic-geek self.
Batman getting his spine crushed by a roided-up luchador will be analyzed endlessly on the internet as a trenchant social commentary on illegal immigration in America.
I remember how TDK was some sort of metaphor for "those damn kids" and how they don't respect society or something.
I don't know... Personally Batman and Robin is my favorite in the whole franchise. The one liners! The zipper closeups! I love some comic books, but I'm reserved to the fact that they only make mediocre action movies. Super heroes make great cartoons, but live action just hasn't won me over. So I say: If they're going to suck, make em suck hard. Then at least we can laugh at "Kill da heroes!"
I will agree with you in that the best comic book movies are the ones that don't over analyze and just roll with it. (see: Iron Man, Thor, Superman, Flash Gordon)
Although, the Nolan movies are not really comic book movies, but rather just a different medium using comic book characters.
The sheer girth of the comments on this trailer are testament to how well it will do for itself. I guarantee this isn't the last Nolanverse Batman movie.
Children's movies are for children. There, did I just end the argument?
I'm just saying Batman is likely something you should grow out of before you're 30.
After 30 the only thing you're supposed to like is work, golf, and drinking yourself senseless because you gave up all your passions in order to conform.
SO MANY NECKBEARDS.
Stars for the continued barf reactions of batman.
|Jet Bin Fever |
I like being the last comment at the bottom of a long page of nerdy diatribes.
I'm just going to drop these stars here, because I'm looking forward to a movie where a man dressed like a bat beats the hell out of/gets beaten to hell by a freakish steroid-popping dude in a mexican wrestling mask.
Seriously, guys. Relax. It's a movie.
There is only one true Batman, and his name is Adam West.
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