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Tags:60s, star trek, DS9, deep space nine
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The Star Trek episodes where they went into Earth's past were always embarrassing. I felt bad for the actors, and I felt bad for myself for watching that drek.
Early to mid 20th century America: more embarrassing than unisex leotards.

Just roll with it Anaxagorasm, what are you? Some kind of Freakasaurus?

I love TNG and DS9. But I started watching TNG around the third season, and only watched those parts of DS9 I knew to be good. So when Netflix added all the Star Trek shows to instant, I decided to watch some episodes I missed.

I watched a clip show with only one season worth of material, invasion of the leprechaun-chasing Irish stereotypes, and an episode centered around Joe Piscopo doing standup, before the uncontrollable vomiting forced me to stop.

This series was the beginning of the end. It marked the point where Trek stopped being about self-contained episodes with good themes. The focus shifted to RELATIONSHIPS, dime a dozen space battles, and taking spirituality seriously.

I had a similar experience with Enterprise. During its run I just happened to catch two of the best episodes and couldn't understand the hate for it.

Then I started watching it on Netflix. Archer is a whiny child, they honed in RELATIONSHIPS from episode one (the "decontamination" scene), and focused on a 20+ episode storyline about multiple time travel dimension to ensure that no one could ever follow it.

Enterprise had one good episode, the parallel universe one where they all killed each other for control of a starship from the parallel future. That episode was awesome.

I liked DS9 at the time, but can't watch it now.

I like how you keep saying "relationships" like we should all instantly recognize that as a bad thing. Yeah, character interaction is a poor substitute for awkward wrestling matches with guys in rubber lizard costumes.

Deep Space Nine had plenty of idiotic episodes but the funny thing is, almost all of them are the ones that ignore the relationships between the characters and focus on silly gimmicks like traveling to the 60's or playing baseball. It was able to pull off excellent character-based drama when it wanted to because it had a great cast, something Voyager and Enterprise never had. Their problem wasn't relationships, it was forgetting that there's no point in focusing on that when your characters have the combined depth of a dixie cup marketed at Smurfs.

Fabio, you may want to watch some of those TNGs again for those "good themes" you recall from your youth. It doesn't hold up quite as well as you think; DS9 holds up much better. And the "spirituality" on DS9 was just a more organized arrangement of non-metaphysical elements from original Trek, with omnipotent aliens, latent mental abilities, and technologies beyond human comprehension. Please don't make me name episodes (and you know damn well I could).

G'damn whiny little putzes. Garak fo' life motherfuckers!

I'd argue that TNG was the low point of the franchise. I haven't watched much DS9, but I can't imagine it could have been much worse than "yet another hour of touchy-feely New Age bullshit courtesy of Troi and Whoopi Goldberg", "Gary Stu saves the day... AGAIN!", or my personal favorite "Q/the holodeck/a poorly replicated burrito transports the crew back to the Wild West/Gangster Days/Sherwood Forest".

And I like Enterprise. Granted, I've only seen four or five episodes, most of which were heavy on T'Pol/ Hoshi Sato, but it's not that bad a series... right?

DS9 had this episode where I forgot the main plot entirely, but there was a side plot of a scientist trying to cure death based on a theory that cells died of boredom. Anyone questioning him got labeled one of the "soulless minions of orthodoxy." I loved that.

Troi was an intermittent problem. But Whoopi barely had any screentime, Wesley was written off when the show got good, and if you think that the old "time travel/mr. myxlplyx/holodeck" excuse to use studio sets was worse on TNG than any of the other shows, you're sorely mistaken, as the clip above helps demonstrate.

Picard may have had fun in a holodeck gangster/noir simulation. But Kirk actually landed on a planet where all the aliens looked, acted and talked like 1930s gangsters.

I'm already glad I posted this video.

Back the fuck up, I want to learn more about how Dixie cups are marketed toward Smurfs. Are Smurfs important consumers of disposable paper drinking vessels? Are they brand-loyal? What sort of media channels do you use to reach a target market that live in mushrooms and don't have electricity?

Oscar Wildcat

Also: you make awkward wrestling matches with guys in rubber lizard costumes sound like a _bad_ thing.

TNG holds up just fine as long as you ignore the first two seasons, and who cares how many killer holodeck/dream episodes they made as long as they were well written. The episodes about Troi and Data's dreams were good stuff.

"Relationships" refers to when every show inevitably goes soap opera and the focus shifts to who is having personal problems with who or who's the cute couple of the month. Give me a bunch of characters with just enough hinted background to bring interesting traits to the table as they tackle some situation / external conflict.

It's the difference between season 1 House (you know Cameron is Florence Nightingale and Chase is a spineless rich kid, now use that to make fun of them during them medical mystery) and current House (will House/Cuddy/Wilson mend their relationship and move back in together while House deals with his personal issues at a mental hospital?).

The different between season 1 The Office (Michael is a clueless team leader, Dwight an authoritarian, Jim is competent but in existential crises, Pam is dumped on. They are all stuck in a soul sucking office environment: GO!) and The Office now (can any of the half a dozen current couples be as angelic and perfect as Jim and Pam?).

Ducat, Garak, Dumar (pretty much all the Cardassian space-nazis) Iggy Pop, Jeffery Combs and "In a Pale Moonlight".

Case closed.

Irish- hey! This isn't just some lame excuse to use studio sets; Kira and O'Brien were traveling back in time. That's a legitimate plot device. It's sciencey and stuff.

Same thing with Kirk and the gangster planet. Being on a holodeck is an exercise in fantasy- it's a glorified dream sequence with no concrete connection to reality (unless Q steps in or the program goes rouge or some guy with assburger's lets his holodiction get in the way of his Starfleet duties). But a planet is a PLANET- it's real life, and it's not Kirk's fault that the inhabitants have parallely developed a society similar to Prohibition-era America. It just means that Earth gangsters are such a well-adapted idea that alien planets are bound to develop them sooner or later.

I can't argue with Data, though. Everyone loves Data.

Enterprise's last season was good but by then they had decided to cancel the series. I believe the consensus was that the last season was much better as they focused much more on the various species known in the other series and how humans interacted with them.

Ds9 had some pretty pretty bad episodes but it also had the best episode of the entire Star Trek lore ("The Visitor") and some really good antagonists who were given more than 15 minutes of screen time to develop.
That was supposed to be a reply to EvilHomer.

I could have done with more Enterprise. I bet there are still some heated debates at Trek conventions over the opening theme.

Cherry Pop Culture
Enterprise was doomed to suck. The producers Brannon and Braga were continuing the decline of Star Trek. Poor storylines, lame character development and declining ratings were killing the franchise.

So, they made Trek "better." Hell, they dropped "Star Trek" in the title. With a suck-ass intro song, tacky costumes and sets and...nothing. Nothing was the plot of the show. Captain Archer was the FUCKING HERO of James T. Kirk. And Scott Bakula was miscast as a Nice Guy the sometimes gets angry. The rest of the cast stood there with their respective Nothing. Whoop-de-fucking-do. Saying Enterprise had a good script with the Mirror Universe ep and is "the best" is like saying, "Well, I wouldn't mind getting raped by 9 penises as long as it wasn't 10."

If you watch any episode of DS9, watch the season 6 episode "The Pale Moonlight." It's the episode that makes Sisko the best Captain of all Treks.
Yep, also known as the Bay of Siskos, wherein Tea Party politics makes it to the 24th century.

It's a fffaaaakkkkkeeeee.

TNG was the best cause it had data. Odo was a poor substitue IMO but DS9 was prtty good till it got to all that "genetic superdoctor" shit.
I've been working my way through TNG and honestly Data is the most compelling and complex character in the series, by far.

Syd Midnight
I liked Kira because she was violence-prone and wouldn't back down from a fight when the other characters wimped out and even Worf was sitting around talking about feelings.
I liked Kira for the least likely of reasons: she was a religious person who actually tried to use her religion to improve herself. We don't see much of that on TV, and it seems all too rare in real life as well; so I'll appreciate Kira for the oddity she is.

Nor were the writers content to leave it at, "She's religious, let's not question the logic of her faith". When a second Emissary showed up unexpectedly in one episode, Odo pressed Kira on how her thinking could be so flexible that she had been convinced Sisko was the Emissary, yet when this new guy showed up she switched gears without any hesitation. She made the usual unpersuasive noises about faith.

Jet Bin Fever
Nerdy sci-fi writers try to have a grasp on the plausible future while completely ignoring the genuine past.
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