fedex - 2015-06-25
well, there's still plenty of ARROGANCE
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Xenocide - 2015-06-25
Rhett made a rookie mistake: trying to talk southerners out of shooting people.
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GravidWithHate - 2015-06-25
Rhett is paraphrasing William Tecumseh Sherman here:
"The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth � right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail. "
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Gmork - 2015-06-25 Sherman's scorched earth policy helped a bit.
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Void 71 - 2015-06-25 Most white southerners didn't benefit from slavery, though. There's a reason blacks typically have English surnames, and it's because the plantation owners were wealthy English American aristocrats. Working-class southern whites (my people) tended to be of Scottish, Irish, German, and Swedish ancestry, and they simply didn't own slaves or have any financial interest in slavery. Many of them actually competed with slaves for work or were indentured servants.
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Oscar Wildcat - 2015-06-25 @Void : no different than today. A very few Americans directly benefit from the oil industry, but the nation as a whole will go to war anywhere on the planet to protect the industry's interests. Come to think of it, a good many of the soldiers doing the fighting come from your neck of the woods. Some things really don't change, eh?
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Bort - 2015-06-25 I say the South could even have pulled off secession and made it stick, just by remaining nonviolent; it's only when the South shot at Union soldiers at Fort Sumter that Lincoln went about putting down this secessionist nonsense.
Note that it wasn't just about getting Lincoln motivated; Congress too had to be willing to send troops, and (northern) public opinion had to be at least a little on Lincoln's side too. Without Fort Sumter, it's extremely unlikely that Congress or the public would have favored sending troops, and sooner or later some sort of formal division between the USA and the CSA would have been inevitable. But leave it to the Southern dumbfucks to start a fight they totally didn't need to at Fort Sumter, and prompt the whole shooting match.
About Lincoln: I think he would have liked to have ended slavery; the question is whether he would have used the office of the Presidency to do so. It's unfortunately become fashionable to doubt Lincoln's basic opposition to slavery just because ending slavery wasn't his highest priority (preserving the Union ranked higher).
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chumbucket - 2015-06-25
Old times there are not forgotten.
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infinite zest - 2015-06-25
They need to remake this movie for modern audiences: "Frankly my dear I don't give a cockshitfuckcunt."
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Sexy Duck Cop - 2015-06-25
It's important to understand that being born 160 years ago does not automatically make you stupid. A lot people condescendingly say "Well, that' Just How People Thought Back Then." No. I absolutely wasn't. There are tons of essays, newspaper articles, books, and firsthand accounts of people who reacted to slavery with the same wide-eyed horror we have today. It was evil. And an economy built on it is stupid and lazy. Full stop.
Similarly, there were so many people at the time who realized how equally moronic the Southern Cause was. It had zero economic, political, intellectual, martial, or moral support. No one saw the Confederacy as anything but a bunch of lazy, stupid, racist, arrogant bags of waste inventing a country out of nowhere so they could sit on their asses while other people worked for them.
And you know why? Because unless you're the fat person sitting on his ass making other people work for you, you look like a selfish, ugly person with nothing to offer.
That's why the Confederacy was a disaster.
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Sexy Duck Cop - 2015-06-25 Imagine a nation populated entirely by Christian Weston Chandler, in other words.
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Bort - 2015-06-25 Fully agreed. I understand the need for historians to recognize how attitudes and mores shift over time, but the 1860s are not so far removed from us that people back then get a complete pass. People knew slavery was wrong; as you point out, there's plenty of documentation to prove it.
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Sexy Duck Cop - 2015-06-26 SMA: you're name must mean smack my ass because of how dumb you are
this is how american happened ok step 1 justice
that happened
step 2 liberty oh wait a liberal like you wouldnt get that lol
step 3 was the statue of liberty
step 5 was white people freeing the slaves from ??????
step 6 obama steals all of our freedoms so he can take them for himself and becomes the freest man of all time
step 7 teenage mutant ninja turtles alleviate the aforementioned problem by going back in time to hit obama with brooms
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Bort - 2015-06-26 SMA is correct that the Confederate states didn't want a strong central government, or at least they used to bitch about Jefferson Davis being a tyrant for trying to wield the powers of a wartime president of the CSA.
What they were looking for, arguably, was a CSA that had all the power to do all the things they wanted, but didn't do any the unpleasant things that were necessary. Sounds familiar.
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Sanest Man Alive - 2015-06-25
WAIT
WAIT
BACK THE FUCK UP: How was Gone With the Wind not an active tag already?!
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