|sjohnson301 - 2012-06-01 |
Interesting. Nothing snarky to say, that is all.
|memedumpster - 2012-06-01 |
Now I know where the hat came from on the Apple Guy from the Fruit of the Loom commercials.
|svraz - 2012-06-01 |
The critisism of apartheid Israel really got to you didn't it Baleen. Well here is some more stuff to mull over. Yes All-Haj Amin was a horrible person. Also horrible were the zionist collaborators with nazis. Here is a link on an article that discusses the intellectual dishonesty of apartheid apologists relying on all-haj amin to try and justify the crimes of the occupation: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story 420.html
I suggest you also pick up secularist Jewish writer Lenni Brenner's. "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators" and "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis".
Do you somehow believe that I think all "Zionists" are good people or that Jews can do no wrong?
And as to that silly link:
"In general, the Palestinian people are proud of the fact that they were among the few who did not collaborate openly with Nazis."
Sure, and not all Germans collaborated with Nazis. And some Jews collaborated with Nazis. And some Palestinians joined the Waffen SS and committed atrocities in the Balkans. And most Zionists were "soft Zionists" who believed in a single state or even a continuation of a the rent system that had existed in the 19th century, but were subjugated by violent, organized, criminal hardliners who's family dynasties hold sway over Israeli politics to this day. Some Zionists, such as Martin Buber, believed that Zionism was simply a state of being and Israel could be built anywhere. I imagine, after the Holocaust and with the Grand Mufti as the ideological symbol of his country, that this kind of idealistic philosophy was not very popular.
I am thoroughly against "apartheid Israel." I figured I was pretty clear about that. I believe in a one-state solution, but I also do not blame Israelis for their existence. It's pretty obvious that the agencies of Palestinian resistance are corrupt and incapable of helping their own people. They are funded by the worst regimes in the region, one of which is currently massacring children.
I do not believe Palestinians "deserved" to be invaded, but it happened. Given the circumstances of WWII, The Holocaust, and Palestine's unfortunate involvement with the wrong side, it seems inevitable. There would have been atrocities in Germany or Argentina had those places been chosen as well (and they were on the list of hosts) no doubt.
Let me reiterate that my anger about this is that I feel the outrage against "Zionism" that is currently popular among leftists is a fashion trend. There's something OFF about it. I do not recall leftists protesting the Kuwaiti embassies of the world when they systematically murdered and tortured thousands of Palestinians simply because their chosen leader (Yassir Arafat) chose to endorse Saddam Hussein. This, and many other things, make me think something is very off about the passion that is brought to this issue.
|OldScratch - 2012-06-01 |
So, if Russians began to immigrate illegally into Louisiana in vast numbers, 20-30,000 per year. And began to set up armed camps, and attack government buildings and terrorize the locals. And in the ensuing conflicts, they organized well-armed and funded militias and went from town to town expropriating everything, murdering those who resisted, and going so far as to track down and assassinate in neighboring states those who were organizing resistance. And finally, 7 million Louisianans lost everything, and now live in refugee squalor in neighboring swamps. All of this would be OK because David Duke was elected as a state rep? The role that the Mufti played in triggering systematic Zionist immigration and ethnic cleansing of Palestine is, well, approximately zero. In a post a few years back, you mentioned how the Palestinians had screwed themselves because of their backing of this screwball Mufti character. The historical record shows this to be nonsense.
I'll give you an extra star because I love documentaries about the amazingly sucky 20th century.
I don't like that analogy.
It's more like: If there were an uprising in Mexico and millions of Mexicans were being rounded up and slaughtered, forcing them over the border to where many of them had lived for centuries anyway with varying degrees of dignity.
I'm sure Arizona, with its many actual, real life concentration camps for Mexican immigrants (they are given special pink underwear!) would treat the displaced Texans as horribly as the Lebanese, the Jordanians, the Saudis, and the Kuwaitis have treated these displaced Palestinians that you speak of. Kuwait dropped 400,000 starving Kuwaiti citizens of Palestinian descent right on Israel's doorstep (killing as many as 15,000 in the process) as if they were somehow able to solve this problem overnight.
With the accumulated wealth and wisdom of North America, surely the displaced Texans could be allowed to integrate into other states and, after the threat of the new Mexican Regime had been dissolved, these displaced Texans could even return to their homeland. Unfortunately, Arab states aren't as kind to Palestinians as Oregon might be to 400,000 hungry Texans.
Husseini was a horrible man with widespread support from his people.
"Remember, Abbady, this was and will remain an Arab land. We do not mind you natives of the country, but those alien invaders, the Zionists, will be massacred to the last man. We want no progress, no prosperity. Nothing but the sword will decide the fate of this country." Sounds like a Texan militiaman snipering wetbacks in the distance doesn't he?
I don't like that analogy.
Zionism, and large scale emigration to Palestine began long before the foundation of the Nazi party. People weren't 'forced over the border'. Zionist gangs from the 1920s were organizing terrorist attacks in order to destabilize the area, and drive out the British. Mexicans don't have a well funded, concerted philosophy that digs up superstition in order to justify a religious state in Arizona. The Jordanian, Saudi, etc. shitty treatment of the Palestinians provides no justification whatsoever for the Israeli colonization (yes, it's 'colonization'; they aren't 'settlements'; you 'settle' Antarctica, or the moon, de-populated places).
All the stuff about conjectural Mexican emigration under duress is noise. The historical record, and early Zionist theorists are really clear about their aims. Read Martin Buber (a good friend did his PhD thesis on Buber): his Zionism is pure 19th-century nationalism. Blood and soil. Prophecy. The bonds of a racial/religious community forged in war. And the aim has consistently been to (re-)establish a mythical homeland in the Levant. Unfortunately, there were a lot of people already living there who weren't part of the racial/religious community. What to do? Well, drive them out or kill them. Which is what continues to this day.
I have dear Palestinian friends whose relations where murdered by the invading Zionists. These families still have property deeds and house keys sitting in boxes. They'll never go home again because some racist zealot from Brooklyn lives in the house that was taken at gunpoint.
|OldScratch - 2012-06-03 |
I'm not sure about a leftist 'trend', and I don't care. What I do know is the 100+ UN resolutions against Israeli abuses, and the fact that Israel has been on the wrong side of int'l law since its inception. 'The Human Rights Council has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other states combined.' -
The only states who stand consistently against every single damned resolution - Israel, and the USA (under the enormous, unprecedented lobbying power of the AIPAC).
This isn't an anti-semitic thing. Every damn UN participant on earth has supported these resolutions, from Mongolia to Zimbabwe to the Philippines. The only countries to vote against, and they are utterly, consistently irrational in their systematic opposition to international law and monumental human rights abuses: Israel and the US.
|Syd Midnight - 2012-06-06 |
I wish the PoeTV parties involved would set a week aside to tackle the North Ireland/Ulster conflict, just for variety's sake.
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