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Desc:ELR without the laugh track. We are witnessing a divorce.
Tags:divorce, laugh track, passive-aggressive anger, canned laughter, Everybody Loves Raymond
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Riskbreaker - 2012-08-10
I can't blame them.
THA SUGAH RAIN - 2012-08-10
Wow. Without the laugh track, that was almost stage quality drama. The things I was supposed to laugh at just made me kind of bummed out.
Xenocide - 2012-08-10
It's a little terrifying how manipulative a laugh track can be.

sosage - 2012-08-10
No one in this show is likeable...and I don't think it is on purpose like Seinfeld or It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
John Salt - 2012-08-11
The mother is the absolute worst.

Dread Pirate Roberts - 2012-08-11
I ALWAYS felt bad for Ray's wife. She just wanted a normal life. Husband and kids. Then they move across the street from his family. People start barging in, getting involved in their private affairs. Her father in law is a mysognist, her mother in law is always putting down her cooking and insulting her lack of 'womanly' and 'motherly' qualities.

Im surprised Ray's wife didn't pull out a shotgun at some point and murder them all.

Pompoulus - 2012-08-11
She was not perfect but she and Ray's brother were the sympathetic characters on that show. Everybody else was a complete monster.

kingofthenothing - 2012-08-11
I never liked any bit of this and didn't understand how people could watch it, but then the world is a weird place and I'll never understand a lot of things.
Rodents of Unusual Size - 2012-08-11
This, Big Bang theory, and Two and a Half Men all got a million comedy nominations. I am perplexed as to how anyone could think of them as funny, ever. I hate them. They aren't comedy. THEY ARENT COMEDY YOU STUPID FUCKS.

When I worked in a video store I would get people occasionally asking for these shows, which we did not have because we did not want to lose money.
There was this one time a woman asked me for comedy recommendations and I gave her so many funny movies. I recommended Flight of the Conchords and she said she didn't like comedy if it didn't have people laughing. I recommended a bunch of movies and she just shook her head. Oh they don't use bad words, do they? No, comedy movies never have bad words in them. You're motherfucking 40. What the fuck do you want from me. Finally, she asked me if we had anything REALLY REALLY funny like Leave it To Beaver or Everybody Loves Raymond.

For a split second I thought maybe I was being punked by someone until I realized she was just Christian and would never understand comedy in her entire life. Comedy minus any true commentary on life, cursing, or situations involving sex, or situations that were at all real were too much for her. It was then I realized that some people hate truly funny writing because they don't want to relate to anything. They don't want to open their eyes to the way the world truly is. They don't want to appreciate the time and effort it takes to really comment on the world they live in. They WANT shit. They want implausible, impossible to relate to scenarios that don't involve any possible real reactions or emotions. The words clean comedy ruin comedy. It is a paradox.

The people that like this shit hate reality in a way that makes every Star Wars and Comic Con nerd look like a shining beacon of grounded.

Bort - 2012-08-11
Five stars for RoUS for:

"It was then I realized that some people hate truly funny writing because they don't want to relate to anything."


"They want implausible, impossible to relate to scenarios that don't involve any possible real reactions or emotions."


"The people that like this shit hate reality in a way that makes every Star Wars and Comic Con nerd look like a shining beacon of grounded."

Hay Belly - 2012-08-11
You mean she wanted a a Katharine Hepburn-y, Cary Grant-y

kind of thing?

sosage - 2012-08-11
You could always recommend some really harmless and light weight British comedy (Keeping up Appearances...Waiting for God...Are You Being Served...etc.) and hope that gateways into some really good stuff from overseas.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2012-08-11
Those britcoms are supposed to be great, but I can never gt past those laughtracks, which are ridiculously loud. Do Brits require EXTRA encouragement to laugh?

Oktay - 2012-08-11
L'enfer, c'est chez Raymond.
January von Rodeo - 2012-08-11
My mother loves this show.
cognitivedissonance - 2012-08-11
All mothers love this show. It's on right before Wheel of Fortune.

Xenocide - 2012-08-11
Keep in mind, this is how the characters would actually experience these events. In their lives, every conversation ends with a long, awkward pause, during which they contemplate their many, many mistakes.
Pope Caius - 2012-08-11
This even managed to stir up some uncomfortable memories
Caminante Nocturno - 2012-08-11
Now the song "Once in a Lifetime" is stuck in my head.
John Holmes Motherfucker - 2012-08-11
TV is terrible harrumph harrumph.

No, the darker aspect of the characters on "RAYMOND", particularly the parents, is quite intentional. This is a good show. I've wound up seeing quite a bit of it recently, just because it shows up after "Law and Order: Criminal Intent on one of my local channels". It's perfectly valid to not like shows with laugh tracks, or jokey dialogue, but anybody who thinks that this has nothing to say about real life how isn't looking looking very closely. I haven't seen it lately, but when Charlie Sheen was in it, "Two and Half Men" is a really dark show about two brothers who grew up in a family with an emotionally distant mother and who can't form decent relationships with women. There are times when it's just too painful to watch, in spite of the most explicit sexual humor on TV. These people are fucked up, and they fuck each over, and then they forgive each other. Just like life.

I'm reminded how much funnier Chaplin movies are when I've been able to see them with an audience, even the notorious "A King in New York". The experience of seeing "Modern Times" in a theater was amazing, and nobody is going to tell me that it wasn't funny. I don't know how to explain it. It may be something profound that makes it funnier with a laugh track, a sense of community, of shared humanity? Or not. it soesn't matter. Funny is what makes you laugh.

Of course, in this case, the editing is more manipulative than the laugh track, since we're missing the setup. There's no reason why we would think this is funny, even if we heard the laugh track. Using this to clip to indict sitcoms as a form is way overreaching, but it's a great joke. It made me LOL, and thats why I'm giving it five stars.
John Holmes Motherfucker - 2012-08-11
I stuck at poofreading.

Wander - 2012-08-11
You suck at a lot of things.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2012-08-11
You excell at sucking.

Bort - 2012-08-11
I just noticed, this is what it's like like watching "Louie". Except on "Louie", the awkwardness comes from situations you can recognize a little in your own life, or at least you can imagine them happening in SOMEONE'S life.
BHWW - 2012-08-11
Al and Peg Bundy were a more loving couple than the Barones. Hell, the Lockhorns are a more loving couple than the Barones.

Every time I tried to watch an episode this is what I saw:

"No Ray, I don't want to have sex with you you lumpy-nosed cretin."
:Ray lets out some passive aggressive whining:
dairyqueenlatifah - 2012-08-12
Still more entertaining than Big Bang Theory with no laugh track.
dead_cat - 2012-08-12
How many of the sitcoms on TV would people actually watch if it weren't for the canned laughter?
Mr.Rogers - 2012-08-13
There was a time when Mrs. Rogers enjoyed this show. I hated it and still do. But an interesting thing started to happen. Mrs would sit down and watch Raymond, I would read the paper or a book. Later that evening there would be an almighty fight.

Soon it was clear that it was happening every time. We sat down and talked about feelings of insecurity, disrespect and her sense that she was being taken for granted.

We weren't in a horrible place but it wasn't great either. Something about Raymond trapped into a real fear that we would end up held together more by bile than love.

There must be marriage counselor out there using this show as a teaching tool about dysfunctional relationships.

A significant portion of the success this show had must have come from people seeing their own loveless lives reflected back at them.
Kabbage - 2012-08-13
It really does seem to be a genuinely loveless farce of a marriage.

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