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Desc:Musical atrocity topped the charts in 1971. Too awful for 73Q
Tags:, vietnam, My Lai, william calley
Submitted:John Holmes Motherfucker
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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-10-29
The preceding message paid for by the committee to re-invade Vietnam.
Kid Fenris - 2014-10-29
And this time Jimmy Carter can't stop us from winning!

yogarfield - 2014-10-29
Why do you hate America? 140 characters or less.

garcet71283 - 2014-10-30

Old People - 2014-10-29
We should be very thankful that we live in a time and place where monsters like Calley are condemned rather than encouraged or swept under the rug. The fact that scandals like Abu Ghraib and Mahmudiyah are exposed and prosecuted is indicative of a nation and a military with a conscience. An imperfect conscience, yes, but a conscience nonetheless, especially in comparison to almost every other empire in history.
HarrietTubmanPI - 2014-10-29
I had to look up this massacre. It's kind of interesting at least to me that most of the higher muckity mucks responsible for this got killed in Vietnam soon after.

HarrietTubmanPI - 2014-10-29
Also, I don't know all the details, but why was Calley given such a harsh sentence while the rest who were responsible (including those who gave the orders to do this) at worst got demoted? Is that just how the high brass operates? Only those at the bottom get the actual punishment and the rest get a slap on the wrist?

Spaceman Africa - 2014-10-29
Yeah that monster Calley got the book thrown at him with three years of house arrest for that massacre. Thanks Nixon.

Old People - 2014-10-29
Spaceman, I didn't say Calley got what he deserved, not by a long shot. Just that I'm glad to live in a society where at least a majority of people agree that he and his ilk are criminals.
Harriet, Calley was scapegoated. The blood was on his hands, but his brass had certainly created a climate in which he felt comfortable in giving the orders that he did, and they should have been punished. Nowadays they'd have been reprimanded more severely, but ultimately shit always rolls downhill and it's the grunts and sometimes the junior officers who end up taking the hardest fall (not to say that they are blameless, just that the big fish always get off easy).

EvilHomer - 2014-10-29
Hear hear, OP. Calley got off pretty light, all things considered, but that's really just an academic issue when you compare it to the fact that everyone above him got off *completely scott fucking free*. I don't know who to blame and I doubt anyone will ever know at this point (military records being what they are) but the fact is, while it might have been good had Calley been slammed harder than he was (I've seen people get UCMJ'd harder than he did for simply lying about EPTS medical conditions), it really wouldn't have brought us that much closer to actual justice.

And yeah, as bad as embarrassments like those Abu Ghraib crapbags were, we *do* know they're embarrassments, and we *don't* just let it go. That's a good thing!

Old People - 2014-10-30
It's worth noting that the Army fought to have Calley's release overturned because they thought the house arrest sentence was far too lenient. It was mostly civilians -including then-Governor Jimmy Carter- who barraged the White House with calls for Calley's release.

Jimmy Labatt - 2014-10-29
Wow holy shit. Evil enough.
EvilHomer - 2014-10-29
Jesus. Did they really have to use that crapbag Calley for this? With all the things this guy could have said about the bullshit endured by servicemen in Vietnam, both overseas and on the homefront, from the enemy combatants to the military industrial complex to the privileged white middle-class hippies, and the singer had to try and make a martyr out of Lt fucking Calley?

I don't know all the stuff he went through, and I try not to judge people, especially people who've been downrange, *even if* they're blue falcons pulling in officer pay. In his defense, he, like everyone who takes the fall for stuff like this if and when it gets out, was probably not the person most culpable for the incident, and *certainly* not the one most deserving of punishment. They always sacrifice the lowest ranked SOB they can appease the press with! But I don't think there's any fucking doubt in Mr Calley's mind that he made the wrong call, and he's NOT going to go to heaven and tell God that he's proud of what he did.
dairyqueenlatifah - 2014-10-29
This would not have been a success if it was any other genre than country.
EvilHomer - 2014-10-29
According to Wikipedia, it sold one million records in four days.

ShiftlessRastus - 2014-10-30
Those people are they same type of contrarian assholes that paid thousands for George Zimmerman's shitty paintings.

Jet Bin Fever - 2014-10-30
Holy shit this is disgusting.
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