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Desc:dude has some insightful things to say about comedy and offense
Category:Humor, Accidents & Explosions
Tags:louis ck, comedy, SJW, Nerdwriter, offense
Submitted:Bort
Date:11/04/15
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Bort
Not the most brilliantest thing anyone's ever said on the subject, but the guy at least gave it some thought before speaking. By YouTube standards that's like living among gorillas for a decade.
That guy
Yeah, it's better than many things. It's nice to see someone analyze different points of view without advocating.

That's my job on here, right guys.....?!?!?

simon666
Sometimes you get derailed and go on about the metaphysics implicit in "SJW" rhetoric.

That guy
I have at least soberly delineated the star wars debate re: braying philistine nostalgic dick-chafing strokefest
vs
diarrhea to feed your atrophied soul

Both sides, both sides

Crab Mentality
I give comedians a complete pass.

Duff Dunham is the guy with the racist puppet routine. I don't think he's funny, and his act just reinforces unhelpful stereotypes.

The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men are two of the worst shows ever shown on network TV. I feel that they send bad messages. Someone has a speech impediment? Mock them, and laugh at them. Someone is an alcoholic? That's funny. People close to you have real problems they can't solve? Mock them until the last moment, then save them, then mock them again.

In short, CBS is a cesspool, and I look down upon people who say that they enjoy those shows, but I don't think for a minute they should be banned, censored, or even toned back. Keep on with your tone-deaf unfunny bullshit, not only because I believe you have the right, but because it allows be to easily profile who doesn't understand comedy in the slightest.
That guy
auto-correct, much??

infinite zest
I got in an argument on here a few months ago about CK and how I didn't like his use (and subsequent defense) of the word "retard;" to each their own but that word stings a lot more than any other to me and to a population of people who can't necessarily say anything back. And this argument went on and on.. anyway I decided to listen to what I assume is his entire catalog on Spotify when I was going to sleep. Turns out CK's voice is incredibly good for sleeping!

Anyway I decided that I like him, and that he uses that word as freely as any other, which is fine. So many sitcoms hide behind any sort of phobia by having the crazy gay character, a black friend or someone with a developmental disability that it's refreshing to hear someone just tell it like it is. But then again this is SNL; people normally talk about how they like or don't like New York and make small talk and then Alec Baldwin shows up or something and they do a musical number or something and "we'll be right back" and they go into the sketches. Maybe it was his intent to disrupt this, but in front of the audience I assume watches SNL regularly, he might as well have told a 9/11 joke.

bongoprophet
MUST we really adopt the SJW term? I don't want to feel I am surrounded by Mr. McReddit-chans here, they're everywhere else.
jangbones
it's reductive and simplistic reactionary caveman shit

StanleyPain
Pretty much.

Old_Zircon
This. It's not that it didn't at one point describe a real phenomenon (before it was adopted as the rallying cry of the worst of Reddit) but that doesn't mean it's any better than the things it was coined to criticize.



This guy gives detective shows away too much credit, most of them are pure, deliberate propaganda designed to normalize and morally justify abuse of power by law enforcement in the minds of their viewers, but that's a whole other discussion.

Bort
At the very least he's not making a distinction between detectives in entertainment and detectives in the real world. I'm guessing he's bright enough to grasp the difference, he just forgot to be explicit about it.

But yeah ... I enjoy comics about a furry who lives in his parents' basement and beats people up at night, but that doesn't mean I want that to be how law enforcement is handled in the real world.

Bort
... though if you want to see a cop show about cops who don't shoot first and ask questions later, you just might like the "Fargo" TV series. There is very much an ethic behind it that you accomplish more through words than through force. I guess the frozen north drives people crazy that way.

memedumpster
When I watched Death Note, I was struck by how the police used induction and deduction instead of violence and intimidation. They were my kind of Sensitive Joss Whedon.

jangbones
Fargo season one was outstanding, season two is somehow even better, cannot recommend enough

Bort
My only complaint is that they didn't let Allison Tolman reprise her role as Molly Solverson, all dressed like a six-year-old and walking around on her knees. I miss Allison terribly.

That said, holy crap, this show. Every episode has at least one scene I can watch over and over. It's not even necessarily anything big; in last night's episode it was the scene where Lou Solverson was trying to get Kirsten Dunst and Todd from "Breaking Bad" to let him help them. Just very well written, very well acted, it felt sincere.

Hooker
Can I just say that I hate video blogs / video essays? They're the audio version of selfies: pushing the interesting thing into the background so that you can insert yourself / your voice overtop of it.
Nominal
Especially if you're a long-winded self-absorbed bore. Jesus christ I couldn't even get into the topic because of this guy.

Bobonne
Damn bastards tricked me into watching some millenial blather on about incredibly simple concepts for six minutes rather than actually seeing Louis CK be interesting (though, to be fair, that hasn't happened for me for a few years).

That guy
Millenial did ok here. What is it, Nobel Prize or nothing for you?

More importantly, you haven't seen Louis CK be interesting for a few years?
Season 2, 3 and 5 of Louie is better television than anyone deserves, muthafukka.

infinite zest
Something wrong with Season 4? People told me to skip season 1 if I started watching it, which I would agree with because the two episodes of S1 I saw were pretty bad, so just skip them the way you would pre-DeVito Always Sunny..

That guy
S1 is not bad, it is just a little more perfunctory, typical of other shows etc pick your adjective. Skip it unless you love the guy.

S4 is not bad either, it is just not particularly trying to be funny, so I usually skip recommending it. It's well-made, and it's more of a heartbreak story than anything else.

S2, 3, 5 are more like each other- weird humor, very non-American-tv storytelling techniques, mix of comedy and drama.

FABIO
What???? Season 1's The Gang Finds a Dead Guy is the best episode of the whole series.

BHWW
Apropos of nothing besides him being mentioned here I just can't bring myself to like Louis CK's standup. It comes off as a whiny, mewly, depressing and utterly gross catalog of his neuroses.
infinite zest
That pretty much describes most modern comedians. Airplanes suck, driving sucks, hotels suck, my girlfriend sucks and so do my kids.. now let me tell you about the biggest dump I ever took and how I can't fit into my pants.. CK's better than most at these stories but I miss the George Carlins and Bill Hickses, who make me think about something besides them and their comically tragic lives.

jangbones
a good point, iz, it has a lot to do with the growth of the culture of narcissism

That guy
If you haven't seen his tv show, you only know him as a stand-up, not as a storyteller. They're two fairly different things.

FABIO
The show is just basically drawn out portions of the points brought up in his standup.

Although I like his standup but am not crazy about the show. It's been insanely hit or miss

Bort
FABIO - thanks for putting into words what I was having trouble expressing. I do like the show more often than not, but Louis CK's strength is generally in distilling a point to just a few lines tailored for stand-up.

There was a lot on the show that was probably difficult to cover via stand-up, such as the ups and downs in his relationship with Pam. Louie's attempt to rape her in that one episode, I think, was trying to show how even a guy who's not trying to be a monster can cross the line, and I have no idea how he would have expressed that via stand-up.

FABIO
You're welcome, bud!

I stopped watching somewhere in season 2. It went from jokes scattered around the episode, to completely jokeless episodes that were supposed to be setups for one punchline at the end. Eventually the punchlines just stopped being worth sitting through the setups.

Recently it seems like they just stopped bothering with the punchline all together. I'm sure parents went nuts over the "lost in the subway" skit, but I just couldn't give a shit, which is a shame because CK was one of the only comedians who could make genuinely funny jokes about "how my life is totally different now that I'm a parent". Now that his daughters are old enough to listen to and understand his material, he censors the edge that made it stand out.

I dunno, I look around at a lot of the skits and they come across as someone making a TV show out of the dream diary they keep. He puts up a lot of moments that I'm sure seemed amazing at the time to him, but come across as mundane to others.

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