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Desc:Tell the poorest people 'we don't care what happens to you. You're now something to be policed'.
Category:News & Politics, Accidents & Explosions
Tags:we are fucked, Brexit, neoliberals, Mark Blyth, Trumpism
Submitted:Crackersmack
Date:10/20/16
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fedex
Problem is, by the time we get to the indefensible position, society has almost completely broken down.

Besides, most of the 1% saw the movie "2012" as a blueprint for the future, just with class warfare instead of Mayan Disasters and mountain/marine fortresses instead of floating Arks.
Crackersmack
Not necessarily, because it does look like voters in England and France are addressing the problem right now. The working class is realigning away from the politicians that have been trying to destroy them for the past few decades. Unfortunately that means aligning with the increasingly fringe right-wing, but there is still time to fix all this.

Even here in America we've had two different factions pushing back. The responsible, sane faction was drowned in the bathtub by the establishment during the Democratic primary though, so all we are left with are the psychos. But the psychos aren't going away as easy.

People are acting as if we are going to be OK once we are past November, when really this is just getting started because none of the real and valid concerns of suffering working class voters are going to be addressed in the next administration. It's going to get even worse for that bottom 30% in the next four years. If you like Trump just wait until you meet his successors.

Monchiles Monchiles
I always took Trump's "Make America Great Again" catchphrase to mean "I will turn back to the clock on small town Rural Poverty and give them a functioning economy again." I assume that's why a lot of people are throwing a vote his way. If you live anywhere outside of a major metropolis in America, you basically live in one of those Young Adult dystopian novels. There's no public transit and everything is super spread apart so you have to drive long distances to buy groceries or go to work, and gas and car maintenance and insurance is expensive. There's little to no entertainment, besides bars, and nobody tries to start up a new business because nobody has any money anyway. There are no jobs. The few position there are, you have to wait for someone to die or retire and hope they don't dissolve the position with them, then go total Hunger Games on that job, and because there's so many people competing, they lower the pay and benefits. There is nothing to do and nowhere to go and the spectre of death and despair looms darkly over the whole place. Two years ago my family and I pulled up stakes and risked everything on a Move to the City(TM) and sometimes I still openly weep at how wonderful it is being able to exist in a real civilization.

bawbag
He makes some decent points, but he starts with the assumption (an oft-repeated one in the Brit press) that it was the poor who overwhelmingly pushed/voted for Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/07/north-po or-brexit-myths
Old_Zircon
Same with Trump, Trump is a middle to upper middle class phenomenon.

bawbag
I think a big part of the push for the press to pin it all on the poor is that it's rapidly sinking in that they've fucked up, so they'd like to wash their own hands of all the damage it has and will cause.

Crackersmack
Unsurprisingly The Guardian is spinning the numbers to support more of a neoliberal argument, but reality is that the Brexit vote broke down along education and income lines not all that unlike the demo of many Trump voters.

Less educated, poor people, aka people that have been most devastated by the neolib agenda in the last few decades DID vote to exit. Wealthy people and younger people voted to remain. It was as much a rejection of destructive neolib policy as it was anything to do with race or whatever the (wealthy, connected, sycophantic) media wants you to believe. Same with the Trump phenomenon.

You gotta follow a link and then another link from the misleading article to get the numbers, but here they are on The Guardian's own site. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu -referendum-live-results-and-analysis

bawbag
I think Blyth made some good points but still don't agree with the entirety of this part of the analysis, I think (tory) Lord Ashcroft's numbers shows there's a fair bit of leeway for interpretation on those correlations with education/class/wealth.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-vo ted-and-why/

The grauniad has been pushing that same narrative as the right wing press though, that it's been the poor and disenfranchised who've pushed for it, but this is far too simplistic imho (conveniently abnegating the responsibility of those property owning older voters et al who represent a massive, very conservative nationalist voting bloc) and serves as another salvo in britain's centuries-long class warfare imho.

It's no coincidence that these analyses are framed in a time/context where 'poverty porn' has become an all too common sight on british tv/newspapers.

Simillion
Exiting the suburbs is fine. Sprawl happened because of cheap gas, it is long overdue that we abandon that style of infrastructure. Welcome to the new era of the metropolitan city state, as foretold by Neal Stephenson and many others, we are already here, those who insist things can and should go back to the way they were in the 50's need a reality check. It is time to stop fearing urban culture and start learning it. Only those so old and decrepit they can't learn new skills and ways of life should be left in the abandonable vast burbs of the 20th century
Simillion
Was meant as a reply to monchiles above

Gmork
Monchiles and Simillion depress me.
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