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Desc:Said bag of shit responsible for children dying from preventable diseases.
Category:News & Politics, Science & Technology
Tags:autism, anderson cooper, vaccines, Andrew Wakefield, scientific fraud
Submitted:Simian Pride
Date:01/06/11
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BorrowedSolution
The worst part of all of this is that this interview will be held up as exhibit 666 in Paranoid Delusionals v. Reality.
Anaxagoras
That's hardly the worst part about this. It might be a footnote in the "Worst Part About This" chapter, though.

whensaidthemoon
A part of me is really glad that he's making these kinds of personal accusations about his opponents. It means that, at some point, this will all end up in court.

Unfortunately, hat part of me is the same part that believes that Jenny McCarthy and her followers used their thought muscles and carefully considered the facts when deciding to buy into this kind of crap in the first place. Whatever evidence is presented against this man's work will simply be deemed part of big pharma's evil plan to cut their own profits by wiping out highly contagious and profitable diseases.

These stars are for Wakefield looking and talking like he's in a British TFL video.
StanleyPain
Thinking was not involved in the whole Jenny McCarthy thing.
Basically lots of people with autistic children, disappointed that medical science didn't have the answers THEY wanted to hear, decided to just make up their own answers out of semi-plausible sounding alternate theories just like everyone else who has an axe to grind against the medical industry. this is why homeopathy has followers and why those followers tend to dove-tail so nicely with anti-vaccination crazies and chemtrail nuts and so on. The whole "OH MAN, SCIENCE IS TRYING TO KEEP YOU FROM THE *REAL* ANSWERS" thing is in full swing these days.

It's not that I'm saying the establishment always has the best or right answers...but it would be nice if people's weird, kneejerk hatred of people with PHDs and actual experience and education as "elitism" would go away.

Caminante Nocturno
It still blows me away how someone could believe that a C-grade washed-up-before-she-even-started celebrity like Jenny McCarthy is more trustworthy than a trained medical professional.

pastorofmuppets
Especially when she spent a while saying she was "indigo" and her son was "a crystal child."

anti-viral
What a despicable excuse for a human being and former doctor.

What has always bothered me is that his study (though completely fake) said there was no connection between the MMR vaccine and autism, but the subject should be studied further. Somehow, this morphs into all vaccines are evil and we should risk children's health for the sake of one journal article that has been consistently refuted. I would like to look at the supposed 5 countries studies he mentioned and see exactly what they stated and how they were conducted.

ugh.

stars are for the pure evil that man has caused.
Grateful Undead
Perhaps the most bothersome to me is the millions upon millions of dollars subsequently spent investigating and refuting the subject. This should have been over years ago. It is a waste of resources that is being spent so that when these new papers come out, believers can stick their fingers in their ears and scream, "Lalalalal! I can't hear you!" Fucking wastes of space. One star for fucking frustration.

Enjoy
What is causing autism? I realize vaccines cannot be considered because they are sacred and good for the Community but what else should we be looking at? Hormones in diary cows and nuclear power?
Vicious
HERE COMES THE PAIN TRAIN! WOO-WOO!


Anaxagoras
Books. Books cause autism.

Riskbreaker
White people are causing it.

kingarthur
God causes autism as a punishment for fancy book-learnin'!

spikestoyiu
Black people are causing it.

Aubrey McFate
Really? Vaccines are socialism to you? Fuck off. I bet you're the type that gets all uppity here but doesn't say shit when tetanus shot time rolls around.

Nithing
Too many aspies getting laid via online dating.

pastorofmuppets
Nithing's pretty warm. In identical twins, one child developing autism is a pretty good predictor of the other getting it -- in studies the number ranges from 60 to 90%. It's below 10% for fraternal twins. (Not that it has to be either/or regarding genetic and environmental factors.)

It was probably clear but the gluten comment was sarcastic. Some nutritionists have seen fit to make their mark the way that Wakefield (and Bruno Bettelheim before him) did.

Syd Midnight
Anti-vaxxers are violently opposed to any genetic theory of autism, because they think that implies that it is somehow their fault. That seems to be the driving motivation for the saner ones, "It's not our fault! It must be someone's fault!"

godot
The autism activists are also looking at aluminum (since it seems associated with other brain disorders like Alzheimer's). While vaccines have some, the vast majority of intake comes from processed cheese, where sodium aluminum phosphate is a FDA approved emulsifying agent.

Ocyrus
There are reasons to be concerned about vaccines, but autism is not a legitimate concern.
If you have children, you should look into vaccine schedules. The common schedule is designed to vaccinate your child based upon convenience... its easier to give a bunch of shots in one visit, because most people don't want to come back a week or two later for another visit. It is a good idea to space out your child's vaccines, just in case they have a reaction to one shot, it will be easier to isolate the specific cause and to treat the reaction. If your child gets three or more vaccines in one visit, it will be exponentially more difficult to isolate the problem.
All that being said...
Autism occurs most in countries that have less-strict standards for food processing, godot mentioned aluminum phospate, and I've read a few studies on links there... but really the key is the genetic component that is activated, pretty much the only thing that Jenny McCarthy got right, but she was wrong about the activator.
If you are worried about mercury, avoid seafood like the plague.
NewHeavenSalesman
I read the related article from the BBC. I didn't know about the guy getting paid by litigants suing vaccine makers at the time the report was written. Pretty goddamned evil, considering the fact that his main theme in the interview was that every person attacking him was being paid off by BIG PHARMA.
Zarathustra00
I highly recommend everyone to do some further reading on Wakefield's study and the investigation done Brian Deer. You can find most of the articles and information that Deer has collected on his website though navigating the layout can be a bit of a headache.

http://briandeer.com/mmr-lancet.htm

Of particular interest:
The Wakefield paper makes no mention of mercury in the vaccines. It instead points to the exposure to the weakened form of 3 viruses, as occurs in the MMR vaccine, as the possible cause of autism in the subjects studied. To this end, the study suggests separating the vaccines into 3 shots delivered over a period of time.

Before the study hinting at a connection between autism and the MMR vaccine was published, Wakefield was part of a group that filed a patent application for a measles vaccine.
joelkazoo
Dr., oops, I mean Mr. Wakefield...you are a cunt.
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