Rach_and_Roll I hope I don't sound like Candide, but I appreciate their civility.
Comeuppance That is some very civil and well-spoken dancing around an issue. The second-to-last guy is the only one that even got close to addressing the question that was actually raised. The guy didn't ask "is god a part of people's lives anymore?", the guy asked "where the fuck are the supernatural events that would be nigh-unquestionable evidence and manifestations of a god's will?"
What a waste of time, for everyone involved.
IrishWhiskey He's the only one who answered it even a little. None of the rest were even willing to acknowledge the question, or they redefined the plain meaning of words.
So the answers were "God is the fairytale ramblings of stoned ignorant tribespeople", and "Hey, look over there, shiny object!".
Redford No one is actually very much in control of modern religion anymore.
fatatty I don't think we should downplay the spiritual impacts of hallucinogens. They can definitely create powerful redefinitions of reality for people and have been used for thousands of years by shamans to induce religious experiences and rights of passage.
I think the real shame is that people are now legally restricted from using them and so now they're mostly just used as party drugs.
I'm not saying they let you talk to God but they can certainly affect your thinking and it's sad that most religions shun them and deny the impacts they've undoubtedly had on most major religions.
SolRo Religions shun them because we know that they are now, and they can't restrict their use to "only those holy enough"
How would it look if the crap their priests used to "talk to god" is the same crap ravers use to make trance music tolerable?
Oscar Wildcat You've heard of this Dionysus fellow? I suspect he'd feel quite at home at a rave.
No religion without a direct experiential component is valid. Contact your local shaman for more information.
kamlem These kinds of discussions always make me think of Michael Palin skipping around a piece of shit in "The Life Of Brian"...
Syd Midnight I don't think we should downplay the spiritual impacts of hallucinations. You don't need drugs to see weird crazy shit, they just provide the convenience of on-demand "oh now I understand everything" without having to fast/stay awake for days, hike through the wilderness, or work yourself into pitching a fit.
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